Annual Prospect Meeting List

[LinvilleGorge]

21 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Not really Panther related, but Verrry interesting

 

They hit their Defensive needs hard in FA.  Are they potentially trying to draw trader suitors in the draft and move down?

Rodgers is 35. Favre was about this age when Rodgers was drafted.

I think when your QB gets to about this age you have to due your due diligence to find the next guy, even if that means using a 1st rounder. Sure, Brees and Brady have continued to play at a high level at 40 but I think they're probably the only two names on that list. If you're counting on a QB to continue playing at a high level to 40 and beyond you're definitely making an extremely risky bet.

[ncfan]

23 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Rodgers is 35. Favre was about this age when Rodgers was drafted.

I think when your QB gets to about this age you have to due your due diligence to find the next guy, even if that means using a 1st rounder. Sure, Brees and Brady have continued to play at a high level at 40 but I think they're probably the only two names on that list. If you're counting on a QB to continue playing at a high level to 40 and beyond you're definitely making an extremely risky bet.

Lock is projected top half of the 1st. 

While Rodgers is getting older, they arent spending that high a pick on a QB.  Maybe a 2nd

[LinvilleGorge]

17 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Lock is projected top half of the 1st. 

While Rodgers is getting older, they arent spending that high a pick on a QB.  Maybe a 2nd

It surprised a lot of people when they drafted Rodgers too. Rodgers hasn't started the full on will he or won't he retire stuff like Favre did but he's been pretty vocal lately about being seriously hampered by lingering injuries. It makes you wonder.

[Black&BlueBubba]

1 hour ago, ncfan said:

You can still be a midround prospect and visit a lot of teams.  Those teams may be looking at him in case he falls to them in the 3rd.

 

Visit number doesnt show how high he will go.  Heck he's visited more teams than Jonah William's, is he better or go higher than him?No.

A lot of people hav him mid second to early 3rd prospect.  Heck Daniel Jeremiah has him at 50.  And with 24 visits I am assuming he will go in the second round.  Although I would live him in the 3rd.  

[ncfan]

13 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It surprised a lot of people when they drafted Rodgers too. Rodgers hasn't started the full on will he or won't he retire stuff like Favre did but he's been pretty vocal lately about being seriously hampered by lingering injuries. It makes you wonder.

They drafted Rodgers (who was projected to go towards the top 10), and they got him at the bottom of the 1st.  Remember the Green room, was one of the biggest shocker falls, heck even some thiught he was going #1 to SF. Great value pick.  Waaay different than Greenbay picking a QB at 12.

Drafting Rodgers was like the Chargers drafting Lock at their pick this year.  

And yes, Rodgers has been injured a lot lately.  But much of it has to do with his OL (thus reason why some mockers think they could go OL with the 1st pick)

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, ncfan said:

They drafted Rodgers (who was projected to go towards the top 10), and they got him at the bottom of the 1st.  Remember the Green room, was one of the biggest shocker falls, heck even some thiught he was going #1 to SF. Great value pick.  Waaay different than Greenbay picking a QB at 12.

Drafting Rodgers was like the Chargers drafting Lock at their pick this year.  

And yes, Rodgers has been injured a lot lately.  But much of it has to do with his OL (thus reason why some mockers think they could go OL with the 1st pick)

I'm just saying it shouldn't be considered a shock anytime a team with a 35 year old QB goes QB in the 1st. Especially when that 35 year old QB has been battling consistent lingering injuries and when there are MASSIVE cap savings in 2021 when he'll be 37.

Just like Favre was, Rodgers would be pissed as hell about it because it doesn't help him win but from a standpoint of protection the future of the franchise it might make a lot of sense. Even if Rodgers doesn't start pondering retirement, will he still he playing at a level at 37 to truly justify his massive cap hit? Few QBs are and when you get to your mid-late 30s Father Time can sneak up on you overnight in terms of being able to compete athletically with the best in the world.

[TheSpecialJuan]

Tony Pauline's final draft rankings: http://draftanalyst.com/top300

Interesting that Pauline, Daniel Jeremiah, and Lance Zierlein all have much higher grades on Clellin Ferrell than Brian Burns. 

NFL.com gave a comp of Chandler Jones for Ferrell while Burns got a Barkavious Mingo/Leonard Floyd comparison. 

[LinvilleGorge]

11 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Tony Pauline's final draft rankings: http://draftanalyst.com/top300

Interesting that Pauline, Daniel Jeremiah, and Lance Zierlein all have much higher grades on Clellin Ferrell than Brian Burns. 

NFL.com gave a comp of Chandler Jones for Ferrell while Burns got a Barkavious Mingo/Leonard Floyd comparison. 

The top 7 players and 8 out of the top 11 are DL/EDGE rushers. Wow.

I don't necessarily disagree with this assessment, but I very seriously doubt the draft plays out that way. QBs are gonna go early as always. A couple of OL and a WR or two will probably go early as well. This very well could be the year to get a top 10 caliber DL/EDGE rusher in the middle of the 1st. Might've gotten a top 5 caliber sitting at #9...

[ncfan]

10 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Tony Pauline's final draft rankings: http://draftanalyst.com/top300

Interesting that Pauline, Daniel Jeremiah, and Lance Zierlein all have much higher grades on Clellin Ferrell than Brian Burns. 

NFL.com gave a comp of Chandler Jones for Ferrell while Burns got a Barkavious Mingo/Leonard Floyd comparison. 

Not seeing it

*also note, Jememiah has had Dwayne Haskins the top QB even over Murray.

Mingo was more like Marquise Haynes.  A tweener who lined up as a 4-3 DE in college and had some success, then never bulked or transition.  Much like Haynes last year.

Burns came into FSU as a OLB, and was putting Von Miller #s up at OLB, showed versatility to move around, drop back etc at OLB, much like Miller.  Something Mingo never did, again more to the lines of Haynes who just was strickly a undersized 4-3DE.  He was still able to produce as a 4-3 DE due to his athletic ability, but is best  as a 3-4 fit

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, ncfan said:

Not seeing it

*also note, Jememiah has had Dwayne Haskins the top QB even over Murray.

Mingo was more like Marquise Haynes.  A tweener who lined up as a 4-3 DE in college and had some success, then never bulked or transition.  Much like Haynes last year.

Burns came into FSU as a OLB, and was putting Von Miller #s up at OLB, showed versatility to move around, drop back etc at OLB, much like Miller.  Something Mingo never did, again more to the lines of Haynes who just was strickly a undersized 4-3DE.  He was still able to produce as a 4-3 DE due to his athletic ability, but is best  as a 3-4 fit

The Mingo comparison as a prospect doesn't seem that far off. Burns is only an inch taller and only 9 pounds heavier comparing combine vs. combine. They both played DE almost exclusively in college. Both coming into the league as speed rush specialists who will have to develop the power aspects of their game.

Hopefully for Burns' sake and the sake of the team that drafts him, he'll end up being the better NFL player but as prospects the comparison isn't outrageous in the least.

[ncfan]

28 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The Mingo comparison as a prospect doesn't seem that far off. Burns is only an inch taller and only 9 pounds heavier comparing combine vs. combine. They both played DE almost exclusively in college. Both coming into the league as speed rush specialists who will have to develop the power aspects of their game.

Hopefully for Burns' sake and the sake of the team that drafts him, he'll end up being the better NFL player but as prospects the comparison isn't outrageous in the least.

The only possibly comparison is Size and thats where is stops.

Mingo was recruited as a DE, played DE the whole time.  Very much like I pointed out with Haynes

Burns was recruited by Jimbo as a OLB not a DE.  Played OLB his first 2 seasons until Taggart came in with the scheme change.  This was his First season even playing 4-3 DE.   Yeah he was a speed rusher coming in, so was Von Miller who Also played OLB.  Miller played only 5 lbs heavier than Burns at A&M and weighed the same at the combine, putting the same #s at the combine

Here is Burns at OLB,  lined further out than the traditional 4-3 DE which you see 3-4OLBs do. With the NT lined over center and the DE in the gaps between OG and OTs

 

[Black&BlueBubba]

40 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Tony Pauline's final draft rankings: http://draftanalyst.com/top300

Interesting that Pauline, Daniel Jeremiah, and Lance Zierlein all have much higher grades on Clellin Ferrell than Brian Burns. 

NFL.com gave a comp of Chandler Jones for Ferrell while Burns got a Barkavious Mingo/Leonard Floyd comparison. 

I still think Ferrell is an option at 16.  And would be fine with him. Here is a little different take on him and why his tools will translate to the NFL  

 

[LinvilleGorge]

24 minutes ago, ncfan said:

The only possibly comparison is Size and thats where is stops.

Mingo was recruited as a DE, played DE the whole time.  Very much like I pointed out with Haynes

Burns was recruited by Jimbo as a OLB not a DE.  Played OLB his first 2 seasons until Taggart came in with the scheme change.  This was his First season even playing 4-3 DE.   Yeah he was a speed rusher coming in, so was Von Miller who Also played OLB.  Miller played only 5 lbs heavier than Burns at A&M and weighed the same at the combine, putting the same #s at the combine

Here is Burns at OLB,  lined further out than the traditional 4-3 DE which you see 3-4OLBs do. With the NT lined over center and the DE in the gaps between OG and OTs

 

The primary part of the comparison that's plenty fair is that both players struggled to translate speed into power coming into the draft. They were pure speed rushing specialists. It's not often in the NFL when you're going to simply be able to run around an OT with speed alone. Most teams don't line up with a Byron Bell or Nate Chandler starting at OT. You have to be able to win when engaged by an OT and that's where Burns will have to develop. He absolutely has the tools to be able to do it, but we'll see if he actually does.

 

[ncfan]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The primary part of the comparison that's plenty fair is that both players struggled to translate speed into power coming into the draft. They were pure speed rushing specialists. It's not often in the NFL when you're going to simply be able to run around an OT with speed alone. Most teams don't line up with a Byron Bell or Nate Chandler starting at OT. You have to be able to win when engaged by an OT and that's where Burns will have to develop. He absolutely has the tools to be able to do it, but we'll see if he actually does.

 

He does. And he does have the tools to improve there.

In the meantime, he is lightyears ahead of 90% of edge rushers coming out as far as bend and burst.  His bend coming off the edge is the best in the class, thats you saw elite rushers like Miller murder Remmers with.  He did well with the speed to power, but the bend woth the edge rushers coming off the edge he had no shot.  For OLBs in a 3-4 to have what he has there, where they are already lined wider giving them the advantage with the speed, is deadly.  There is a guy at draftnetwork whi actually has him as the top edge rusher in the whole class due to this and has a nice breakdown on it.  

His versatility and ability to move around and drop back is 2nd to none, he looked like a Safety with WR hands at the combine.  This is what has seperated Kalil Mack from other in the league.

Mingo didnt even come close to having those traits. Just the size and basic burst off the line (which Burns beats him there too) which is exactly what Haynes was coming out of Ole Miss and thus the reason his stock never was high.