Glazer sez Cam is "refusing to run".

[Bartin]

50 minutes ago, SBiii said:

Trick play.

In your opinion when was the last time Cam was fully healthy?  And, what was the incident that made him unhealthy?

First of all there is no way you can honestly believe that was a trick play. Everyone admitted after the game that they took Cam out because he couldn’t get it to the end zone.

Secondly, I don’t think I can name a particular play. The original incident was the INT return tackle he made against SD but he seemed to mostly fine in 2017 after his first surgery. Most people say it was the Watt hit against the Steelers but that was well after it was plainly obvious his shoulder wasn’t right.

Last year basically from the first game he didn’t have a deep ball. We trie a couple but they were all under thrown or wildly inaccurate and it seemingly got worse as the early weeks of the season progressed. First time I was pretty sure there was something wrong was the Washington game then the next week against Eagles I was certain something was wrong. Him going on the injury report before the Ravens game for his shoulder and then being pulled for a Hail Mary attempt was obviously the confirmation.

But I think this was a problem that just got worse and worse from using it and was related to his previous injury rather than there being a single instance of it his shoulder getting hurt last year. And though the Watt hit seemed to make it worse, it was definitely a problem for several weeks prior.

[thefuzz]

1 hour ago, Bartin said:

First of all there is no way you can honestly believe that was a trick play. Everyone admitted after the game that they took Cam out because he couldn’t get it to the end zone.

Secondly, I don’t think I can name a particular play. The original incident was the INT return tackle he made against SD but he seemed to mostly fine in 2017 after his first surgery. Most people say it was the Watt hit against the Steelers but that was well after it was plainly obvious his shoulder wasn’t right.

Last year basically from the first game he didn’t have a deep ball. We trie a couple but they were all under thrown or wildly inaccurate and it seemingly got worse as the early weeks of the season progressed. First time I was pretty sure there was something wrong was the Washington game then the next week against Eagles I was certain something was wrong. Him going on the injury report before the Ravens game for his shoulder and then being pulled for a Hail Mary attempt was obviously the confirmation.

But I think this was a problem that just got worse and worse from using it and was related to his previous injury rather than there being a single instance of it his shoulder getting hurt last year. And though the Watt hit seemed to make it worse, it was definitely a problem for several weeks prior.

The shoulder has been an issue for some time now, we just have lots of fans who don't want to hear it, or trust every word coming out of the GM and Coaches mouthes.

I do not.  Hell just a couple weeks ago you had a coach and GM telling us Luck was dealing with a calf strain....

[fjblair]

19 hours ago, BIGH2001 said:

Hot takes - the syphillis of the sports world 

Twitter - the syphilis of social media.

[Bartin]

1 hour ago, thefuzz said:

The shoulder has been an issue for some time now, we just have lots of fans who don't want to hear it, or trust every word coming out of the GM and Coaches mouthes.

I do not.  Hell just a couple weeks ago you had a coach and GM telling us Luck was dealing with a calf strain....

Yeah I have no idea why fans seem to believe everything that GMs, Coaches and players say to the media when it is in their best interest to straight up lie about it. I would sure as hell be lying my ass off if I were them.

[SBiii]

6 hours ago, thefuzz said:

The shoulder has been an issue for some time now, we just have lots of fans who don't want to hear it, or trust every word coming out of the GM and Coaches mouthes.

I do not.  Hell just a couple weeks ago you had a coach and GM telling us Luck was dealing with a calf strain....

Actually I have been calling bullsh*t on the pablum Rowboat & others have been spooning out about the shoulder since the last surgery.

They all just said "oh yeah it's all good"...."it was just a little cleanup"...."he's on track"...."rehab is as expected"....blah, blah, blah....total horsesh*t from the get-go.

Why?

Bone spurs. 

One reporter got the bone spur story right, Charles Robinson (see screenshot below).  However, Rivera and the Panthers managed to bury that and the bone spurs were never mentioned again.

The shoulder surgery was WAY more than a simple cleanup but people, for a variety of different reasons, were unwilling to admit it. 

Bone spurs absolutely explained the limited range of motion.  Bones spurs are also indicative of an arthritic joint -- Cam's 30yrs old with a 52yr old shoulder.  Unless the repetitive motion that created the bone spurs in the first place is eliminated, bone spurs often recur.  Normal folks can get back to close to normal after bone spur removal, for elite athletes it's a whole different ballgame.  

Nobody wanted to hear it at the time....now that Cam has sh*t the bed the thesis seems to be much more palatable for many many folks.

PS....Robinson was just parroting the Panthers company line there but slipped up and included a key detail they would have preferred he had not revealed --- the removal of "bone-spurring".  Obviously his "no complications" conclusion was completely wrong.

 

[SBiii]

7 hours ago, Bartin said:

But I think this was a problem that just got worse and worse from using it and was related to his previous injury rather than there being a single instance of it his shoulder getting hurt last year.

We agree.  I was being facetious.

Last year Cam's shoulder gradually worsened all year long as a result of continued problems related to the first surgery --- namely bone spurs --- a degenerative condition that only worsens with use .

See above.

[Snake]

10 hours ago, CRA said:

in fairness, the way the OL in the Bucs game looked had a LOT to do with Cam being in their at QB. 

Allen IMO has shown he could make a lot of those easy throws the Bucs put on a silver platter for Cam.   Proved it last year.  Also, I think it is comical our fearless leader was able to find out Cam's glaring tell in the shotgun which no doubt allows teams to tee off on him and the OL. 

No he couldn't and he proved that in the preseason. Offensive line is just as bad as Cams play. They need to be better. 

[SBiii]

More pablum...

[LxDunn]

On 9/15/2019 at 7:37 PM, SBiii said:

https://twitter.com/JayGlazer/status/1173299494282096640

Also sez McCaffrey is the best player on the team and that's why the ball was put into his hands on the 4th & inches.

And the Panthers lost the game lol

[LxDunn]

On 9/15/2019 at 8:00 PM, onmyown said:

I agreed with the call to give it to CMC to score. It wasn’t a bad play at all - it just didn’t work out.

A game never comes down to one play and winning the game shouldn’t always (every single time) come down to the last second like it always seems to with Rivera. That play isn’t the reason why the Panther’s lost. There were plenty of opportunities throughout the game.

And then there is Rivera, playing conservative all game then all of a sudden trying to go riverboat on the 50 on 4th down with time left on the clock all of a sudden. It’s like he doesn’t know when to be aggressive and when to hold back.

He doesn't know how to coach period.

[SBiii]

6 minutes ago, LxDunn said:

And the Panthers lost the game lol

Today on the radio Mushin unequivocally said CMC is the best player on the team "right now". 

After he said that, he was very wishy washy on defending the play call....kinda trying to play both side of the situation.

Luke is the best player on this team as far as I am concerned.