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Speculation is Cam will start after the bye.


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1 minute ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

You don't see a QB controversy in New Orleans because Drew Brees has been the most accurate QB in the league forever and Teddy Bridgewater has been pretty awful. His best game he's had this year he's thrown for 6.6 yards per pass which is worse than Allen's worst game.

And I'm sorry, but I still have to come back to you saying his performance was "bad". His passer rating against Houston was 89.3 which is higher than Cam's average career passer rating of 86.1. You're underselling the Watt play too: if Cam had done that, that would have been one of the 10 best plays of Cam's career. It absolutely won the game for us. When you're doing things like that in your 3rd start in a career where you haven't lost, you deserve to stay out there until you have a bad performance.

Yet Bridgewater beat two playoff teams... and QB wins is clearly the only thing that matters to everyone on this board so that should be the logic. And we are bring up Cams career passer rating when he used to be in a down the field passing offense coached by Mike Freaking Shula lol... His passer rating in this offense last year with a bum shoulder was 94.2  So frankly based of your standards Allens passer rating was not even as good as a Cam Newton with a BUM SHOULDER. So yes Allen is a great backup to have but you absolutely change back to Cam when he is healthy. It really is not that hard.

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1 minute ago, AceBoogie said:

What's frustrating is that we can't just accept Kyle Allen for what he is. A competent back up. Any sign of quarterback competency outside of Cam and they want him to take over. I don't recall anyone here fighting for Joe Webb to take the reigns...

Most backup QBs should be able to come in and not lose games. Thats what they get paid to do. But anyone who watched the play calling in that game it became very clear that Norv and Ron were afraid to throw the ball at times. 

Kyle Allen isn't going to put the team on his back when everyone else isn't playing well. He needs everyone around him to lift him up. Thats the difference. It's why Alex Smith lost his job to CK7 and then to Pat. It's why Nick Foles won a Super Bowl and still couldn't keep the starting job. There are levels to this poo. 

But Nick Foles got a SB, I don't think he is to upset lol 

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The Eagles let a Super Bowl winning QB walk because they had a better QB on the roster. Play your best football players.

dag if that dude doesn't wisen up he's gonna end up being hurt this year too.

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1 minute ago, johnking3194 said:

Yet Bridgewater beat two playoff teams... and QB wins is clearly the only thing that matters to everyone on this board so that should be the logic. And we are bring up Cams career passer rating when he used to be in a down the field passing offense coached by Mike Freaking Shula lol... His passer rating in this offense last year with a bum shoulder was 94.2  So frankly based of your standards Allens passer rating was not even as good as a Cam Newton with a BUM SHOULDER. So yes Allen is a great backup to have but you absolutely change back to Cam when he is healthy. It really is not that hard.

Yeah wins is all that matters. Cam has 3 winning seasons out of 9. Anything else you got?

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32 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If our defense hadn't played lights out and the Texans had done a better job of converting those turnovers to points y'all would he singing a different tune on Allen.

Play your best football players, period. Healthy Cam Newton is our best QB, period.

Watson missed like 3 wide open Tds that would have changed the game drastically as well. These QBs that we have faced so far aren't exactly creme of the crop and we know this team can look completely different against a solid one.

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1 minute ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Watson missed like 3 wide open Tds that would have changed the game drastically as well. These QBs that we have faced so far aren't exactly creme of the crop and we know this team can look completely different against a solid one.

Watson was running for his life the entire game too. The guy was sacked, pressured, or hit on virtually every drop back.

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13 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

 

Watson was running for his life the entire game too. The guy was sacked, pressured, or hit on virtually every drop back.

Right, defense is playing significantly better than they were last year around this time.

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