Saquon Barkley is an all-time talent and better than McCaffrey

[micnificent28]

33 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

Being racist against white people is not a thing, it doesn't exist.....

 

But CMC is white he cant be a good RB.....

This sounds like you dont know football if u calling Barkley A bust. I'm not sure CmC is generational but I know Barkley's talent is.

[PootieNunu]

4 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

This sounds like you dont know football if u calling Barkley A bust. I'm not sure CmC is generational but I know Barkley's talent is.

CMC has outplayed Barkley so far in his career, so how is barkley generational?? And I did not make that statement of bustquan I just quoted it...

People want to use Barkley's injury as a crutch but being healthy and available to play is part of being a NFL football player and CMC's load has been more than barkley's

Talent has to be coupled with work ethic as well, just ask Vick about how far pure talent will take you

[micnificent28]

2 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

CMC has outplayed Barkley so far in his career, so how is barkley generational?? And I did not make that statement of bustquan I just quoted it...

People want to use Barkley's injury as a crutch but being healthy and available to play is part of being a NFL football player and CMC's load has been more than barkley's

Let's look at their ability... like tools to work with coming into the combine. 

Now CmC

A man running a 4.40 at 233 pounds is much impressive than a 202 pound man running a 4.48 because he is carrying more mass. He also had a 41 inch vertical. That's crazy. Cmc had a 37 which is also very impressive. Barkley did 29 reps... cmc did 10. Shows strength which would come in handy all these 4th and 1 stuffing cmc seems to have a issue getting. How many games have we lost or come up short trying to pound it in with him?

Now since Barkley only been in the league 2 years to Cmacs 3 let's compare rookie seasons.

Cmc struggled as a rusher but found great success out the back field and I do believe he is better at that than barkley as far as catching but not by much...

Barkley ran for 1300 yards as a rookie.. with 11 touchdowns on the ground. He also caught 91 balls for 4 more. How has cmc been more impress than barkley? Barkley has unheard of speed with power and catching.. if they both were the same class and you were being honest no way you pick cmc over Barkley and om a panthers fan.

[PootieNunu]

3 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

Let's look at their ability... like tools to work with coming into the combine. 

Now CmC

A man running a 4.40 at 233 pounds is much impressive than a 202 pound man running a 4.48 because he is carrying more mass. He also had a 41 inch vertical. That's crazy. Cmc had a 37 which is also very impressive. Barkley did 29 reps... cmc did 10. Shows strength which would come in handy all these 4th and 1 stuffing cmc seems to have a issue getting. How many games have we lost or come up short trying to pound it in with him?

Now since Barkley only been in the league 2 years to Cmacs 3 let's compare rookie seasons.

Cmc struggled as a rusher but found great success out the back field and I do believe he is better at that than barkley as far as catching but not by much...

Barkley ran for 1300 yards as a rookie.. with 11 touchdowns on the ground. He also caught 91 balls for 4 more. How has cmc been more impress than barkley? Barkley has unheard of speed with power and catching.. if they both were the same class and you were being honest no way you pick cmc over Barkley and om a panthers fan.

He did that in one year...what has he done this year? Being generational means you are putting up elite numbers year in and year out, not just one year. 

Funny how you cut out CMC's receiving numbers in your post, lets count them for Barkley, but not for CMC.

CMC has gotten better with each season, from what I have seen Barkley has regressed.

Also those combine numbers dont mean squat, I dont care what players do in shorts its what they put on the field in pads.

[micnificent28]

2 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

He did that in one year...what has he done this year? Being generational means you are putting up elite numbers year in and year out, not just one year. 

Funny how you cut out CMC's receiving numbers in your post, lets count them for Barkley, but not for CMC.

CMC has gotten better with each season, from what I have seen Barkley has regressed.

Also those combine numbers dont mean squat, I dont care what players do in shorts its what they put on the field in pads.

The combine absolutely matters.. it shows tools to work with. It foreshadowed cmcs struggles at the goaline. I also didn't mention how many yards receiving Barkley had because they kinda cancel out. Barkley missed what 4-5 weeks so you say hes regressed???? What kind of logic is that. Cmc has had 3 years to get better and I'm not saying cmc bad or not a great player he is. I'm glad we have him.

But how many times have we needed that tough 1 yard to win the game and he couldnt do it. He cant be a short yardage back. That is the difference between he and sequon, Barkley almost as good as cmc in each area cmc is good at or better... hes bigger hes faster and hes stronger. Hes also very good in the receiving game. His agility and ability to break tackles is better.. not sure what ground you have to stand on.

All those things mentioned above make him a generation talent* because I'm not sure we have seen a player so complete in all areas since... I dunno.. he has no flaws.

[PootieNunu]

3 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

The combine absolutely matters.. it shows tools to work with. It foreshadowed cmcs struggles at the goaline. I also didn't mention how many yards receiving Barkley had because they kinda cancel out. Barkley missed what 4-5 weeks so you say hes regressed???? What kind of logic is that. Cmc has had 3 years to get better and I'm not saying cmc bad or not a great player he is. I'm glad we have him.

But how many times have we needed that tough 1 yard to win the game and he couldnt do it. He cant be a short yardage back. That is the difference between he and sequon, Barkley almost as good as cmc in each area cmc is good at or better... hes bigger hes faster and hes stronger. Hes also very good in the receiving game. His agility and ability to break tackles is better.. not sure what ground you have to stand on.

All those things mentioned above make him a generation talent* because I'm not sure we have seen a player so complete in all areas since... I dunno.. he has no flaws.

I said he regressed because he is averaging 3.9 ypc compared to CMC's 5.1 ypc. 

Overall yards are irrelevant when Barkley has missed time.  And once again being available to play on sunday is a huge part of being an NFL football player. 

CMC 3.9ypc, 5.0 ypc, 5.1 ypc

Barkley 5.0 ypc, 3.9 ypc

That is regression vs ascension 

[micnificent28]

2 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

I said he regressed because he is averaging 3.9 ypc compared to CMC's 5.1 ypc. 

Overall yards are irrelevant when Barkley has missed time.  And once again being available to play on sunday is a huge part of being an NFL football player. 

CMC 3.9ypc, 5.0 ypc, 5.1 ypc

Barkley 5.0 ypc, 3.9 ypc

That is regression vs ascension 

Hes on a bum foot.. again your trying to compare a 3rd year  pro to a second year guy on a hobbled foot. If you look at what he did healthy last season vs this season you think that ability just stop because he got worse? It's like with cam.. you can look at the numbers and explain it away as he sucks now vs acknowledging this isn't the same guy as before when he was healthy. The truth is more than looking at stats. That isn't regression. Regression is just when a player isnt performing well and there is no explanation. You can see it clearly in this case.

[PootieNunu]

5 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

Hes on a bum foot.. again your trying to compare a 3rd year  pro to a second year guy on a hobbled foot. If you look at what he did healthy last season vs this season you think that ability just stop because he got worse? It's like with cam.. you can look at the numbers and explain it away as he sucks now vs acknowledging this isn't the same guy as before when he was healthy. The truth is more than looking at stats. That isn't regression. Regression is just when a player isnt performing well and there is no explanation. You can see it clearly in this case.

Like I said in my post before, people want to use his injury as a crutch, if he is not healthy he should not be playing. Its not like the giants are in the playoff hunt. CMC has been better in his career than Barkley has period. They both averaged 5 ypc last year and put up good numbers but Barkley is generational and CMC isnt?? It just does not make sense to me . What has he done that is so much better than what CMC has done? He put up better numbers at the combine, but so what?

Also this. 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/saquon-barkley-says-hes-not-hurt-despite-slump-lets-stop-making-an-excuse-that-im-hurt/

[micnificent28]

1 minute ago, PootieNunu said:

Like I said in my post before, people want to use his injury as a crutch, if he is not healthy he should not be playing. Its not like the giants are in the playoff hunt. CMC has been better in his career than Barkley has period. They both averaged 5 ypc last year and put up good numbers but Barkley is generational and CMC isnt?? It just does not make sense to me . What has he done that is so much better than what CMC has done? He put up better numbers at the combine, but so what?

How has he been better because he is playing longer? Are you saying cmc rookie year was better than Barkley's?????? No it wasn't. Has he been better this year vs Barkley yes. But Barkley's rookie year was better than anything cmc has done up until this season. Stating a player has been hurt isnt a crutch it's a fact. And the fact he is playing through injuries shouldn't be used against but a merit he will play hurt. Hobbled Barkley probably still better than whatever they have behind him. And it's not like he is just trash out there even now.

[PootieNunu]

Just now, micnificent28 said:

How has he been better because he is playing longer? Are you saying cmc rookie year was better than Barkley's?????? No it wasn't. Has he been better this year vs Barkley yes. But Barkley's rookie year was better than anything cmc has done up until this season. Stating a player has been hurt isnt a crutch it's a fact. And the fact he is playing through injuries shouldn't be used against but a merit he will play hurt. Hobbled Barkley probably still better than whatever they have behind him. And it's not like he is just trash out there even now.

CMC was not the feature back in his rookie year like Barkley was, when CMC has been the feature back he has performed just as well if not better than Barkley. Barkley has not had more than 72 yards rushing in the past 5 weeks. A great rookie season does not make a career. How many players have had an outstanding rookie year to only disappear and never be half the payer they were in their rookie season? Im done here you have some kind of bias for Barkley, are you his cousin or something? 

[micnificent28]

9 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

CMC was not the feature back in his rookie year like Barkley was, when CMC has been the feature back he has performed just as well if not better than Barkley. Barkley has not had more than 72 yards rushing in the past 5 weeks. A great rookie season does not make a career. How many players have had an outstanding rookie year to only disappear and never be half the payer they were in their rookie season? Im done here you have some kind of bias for Barkley, are you his cousin or something? 

No your just a homer and cant see past the Panthers. I'm just saying based of just talent Barkley has more of it than CmC which is why Cmc wasn't even the first running back selected in his class because people thought Fournette had more talent to work with. Its facts.

[PootieNunu]

1 minute ago, micnificent28 said:

No your just a homer and cant see past the Panthers. I'm just saying based of just talent Barkley has more of it than CmC which is why Cmc wasn't even the first running back selected in his class because people thought Fournette had more talent to work with. Its facts.

Ok and like I said talent alone will not make it that far, it might work in college, but in the NFL everyone is fast and you actually have to work at it. Draft order, combine stats, none of that poo matters. What matters is what you put on the field on sundays, and lately with Barkley that has not been much. You can call me a homer that's fine, but the truth still remains a rookie year does not make a career. Vince Young was a rookie of the year how did that work out? CMC will be a 1st team all pro this season, but barkley has his rookie of the year award.

[micnificent28]

13 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

Ok and like I said talent alone will not make it that far, it might work in college, but in the NFL everyone is fast and you actually have to work at it. Draft order, combine stats, none of that poo matters. What matters is what you put on the field on sundays, and lately with Barkley that has not been much. You can call me a homer that's fine, but the truth still remains a rookie year does not make a career. Vince Young was a rookie of the year how did that work out? CMC will be a 1st team all pro this season, but barkley has his rookie of the year award.

Read the first few lines of the article you posted and that should tell you all you need to know about what's going on with Barkley

[micnificent28]

Just now, micnificent28 said:

Read the first few lines of the article you posted and that should tell you all you need to know about what's going on with Barkley

He rushed himself back and clearly isnt all the way heales. Your arguement is but cmc is better cause he isnt hurt and playing better right now. That's short sighted and not the whole truth.