Combine thread

[kungfoodude]

2 hours ago, Basbear said:

Change of direction has shown to be the best drill for NFL success. Brown had the one of worst in the history of the combine for DL(i dont trust that website saying it was the worst). Roids/PEDs are used in college sports, just facts. Again no idea on Brown, but odds are he owned a few guys that where juiced up.

You sure that is the hill you want to die on? This is the top 30 Three Cone times from 2000-2020. So, what is that....5 or 6 out of 30 that were a success? Are you really gonna call that a strong predictor of NFL success?

 

1	2012	Fletcher Cox	DT	21	88	Mississippi St.	College Stats	6-4	298	4.77	26.0	30	103	7.07	4.53	Philadelphia Eagles / 1st / 12th pick / 2012
2	2012	Vaughn Meatoga	DT			Hawaii	College Stats	6-1	294	4.93	30.0	27	108	7.10	4.21
3	2014	Aaron Donald	DT	22	90	Pittsburgh	College Stats	6-1	285	4.68	32.0	35	116	7.11	4.39	St. Louis Rams / 1st / 13th pick / 2014
4	2018	Taven Bryan	DT	21	6	Florida	College Stats	6-4	291	4.98	35.0	30	119	7.12	4.48	Jacksonville Jaguars / 1st / 29th pick / 2018
5	2011	Nick Fairley	DT	23	26	Auburn	College Stats	6-4	291	4.84	31.0		113	7.14	4.56	Detroit Lions / 1st / 13th pick / 2011
6	2013	Josh Boyd	DT	23	4	Mississippi St.	College Stats	6-3	310	5.14	26.5	32	104	7.16	4.64	Green Bay Packers / 5th / 167th pick / 2013
7	2012	Mike Martin	DT	21	6	Michigan	College Stats	6-1	306	4.80	33.5	36	113	7.19	4.25	Tennessee Titans / 3rd / 82nd pick / 2012
8	2013	Jared Smith	DT	22		New Hampshire		6-3	302	5.08	32.5	28	115	7.20	4.39	Seattle Seahawks / 7th / 241st pick / 2013
9	2014	Kerry Hyder	DT	22	6	Texas Tech	College Stats	6-2	290	5.10	29.5	20	108	7.23	4.33
10	2015	Xavier Cooper	DT	23	4	Washington St.	College Stats	6-3	293	4.86	29.0	29	110	7.23	4.37	Cleveland Browns / 3rd / 96th pick / 2015
11	2012	Derek Wolfe	DT	22	55	Cincinnati	College Stats	6-5	295	4.93	33.5	33	108	7.26	4.44	Denver Broncos / 2nd / 36th pick / 2012
12	2018	B.J. Hill	DT	22	9	North Carolina St.	College Stats	6-4	311	4.99	26.5	35	101	7.28	4.53	New York Giants / 3rd / 69th pick / 2018
13	2018	Harrison Phillips	DT	22	2	Stanford	College Stats	6-4	307	5.21	32.0	42	103	7.28	4.50	Buffalo Bills / 3rd / 96th pick / 2018
14	2015	Derrick Lott	DT			Tenn-Chattanooga		6-4	314	4.99	26.5	30	106	7.30	4.44
15	2011	Muhammad Wilkerson	DT	21	72	Temple	College Stats	6-4	315	4.96	26.0	27	106	7.31	4.59	New York Jets / 1st / 30th pick / 2011
16	2012	Tydreke Powell	DT			North Carolina	College Stats	6-2	311	5.28	28.5	29	99	7.31	4.62
17	2012	Brett Roy	DT			Nevada	College Stats	6-3	275	5.00	30.5	32	108	7.31	4.62
18	2012	Jaye Howard	DT	23	18	Florida	College Stats	6-3	301	4.78	27.5	24	106	7.32	4.47	Seattle Seahawks / 4th / 114th pick / 2012
19	2016	Connor Wujciak	DT			Boston Col.	College Stats	6-2	291	4.91	34.5	22	117	7.32	4.27
20	2018	Zaycoven Henderson	DT			Texas A&M	College Stats	6-0	298	5.16	29.5	20	105	7.33	4.58
21	2013	Chris Jones	DT	22	15	Bowling Green	College Stats	6-2	302	5.33		30		7.34	4.44	Houston Texans / 6th / 198th pick / 2013
22	2015	Grady Jarrett	DT	21	34	Clemson	College Stats	6-1	304	5.06	31.0	30	112	7.37	4.56	Atlanta Falcons / 5th / 137th pick / 2015
23	2016	Jihad Ward	DT	21	9	Illinois	College Stats	6-5	297	5.11	25.0	20	111	7.38	4.63	Oakland Raiders / 2nd / 44th pick / 2016
24	2012	J.R. Sweezy	DT	22	50	North Carolina St.	College Stats	6-5	298	4.97	36.0	21	113	7.40	4.41	Seattle Seahawks / 7th / 225th pick / 2012
25	2013	Sharrif Floyd	DT	20	13	Florida	College Stats	6-3	297	4.92	30.0		106	7.40	4.75	Minnesota Vikings / 1st / 23rd pick / 2013
26	2015	Louis Trinca-Pasat	DT	23		Iowa	College Stats	6-1	290	4.96	32.0		105	7.40	4.30
27	2011	Jarvis Jenkins	DT	22	25	Clemson	College Stats	6-4	310	5.03	26.5	17	98	7.42	4.83	Washington Redskins / 2nd / 41st pick / 2011
28	2012	Markus Kuhn	DT	25	6	North Carolina St.	College Stats	6-5	299	4.87	34.5	28	112	7.43	4.41	New York Giants / 7th / 239th pick / 2012
29	2012	Kendall Reyes	DT	22	24	Connecticut	College Stats	6-4	299	4.82	34.5	36	113	7.43	4.53	San Diego Chargers / 2nd / 49th pick / 2012
30	2016	Sheldon Day	DT	21	6	Notre Dame	College Stats	6-1	293	5.07	30.0	21	102	7.44	4.50	Jacksonville Jaguars / 4th / 103rd pick / 2016

[Basbear]

 

So that list Cox and Donald in the top three, the two best DT going now...could even add Watt to make three out of four. Not going to debate on whos successful, cause thats a never-ending one. NOW do the ones around Browns' 8.22 and see whos list is better......... I dont even have to look.

Side note- That website is clunky, (I know I listed it.) Still no way with all the HUGE NT guys that Brown is the worst one in history, not a chance. Something happens that upsets it when you click on the categories. 

Back to 3-Cone hill. Again its my favorite drill when compared to all others, of course its not a end all be all, nothing is. This guy puts it into words better than I can-

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The 3-cone drill is the real MVP of the NFL combine. A slow 3-cone is the kiss of death for almost every position besides offensive line in the NFL. Why, you ask? Because the ability to turn and accelerate quickly and efficiently is one of the key tenets of football. It’s a defensive end turning the corner on a tackle, a safety breaking on a corner route, and a running back cutting upfield. Unsurprisingly, Pittsburgh's Le’Veon Bell ran the 11th-best 3-cone of any running back in the past 10 years, at 6.75 seconds, and he was the only back among the top 30 to weigh over 220 pounds (he was 230). Cornerback Darrelle Revis ran a 6.56 cone at 204 pounds back at his pro day in 2007. If I had to pick one drill to look at, it’s this one.

 

Here are few links to chew on-

https://www.stack.com/a/at-the-nfl-combine-the-3-cone-drill-reveals-the-next-great-pass-rushers

https://985thesportshub.com/2019/04/22/nfl-draft-three-cone-drill-patriots-picks/

https://www.draft32.com/how-much-do-pass-rusher-40-times-ma

Bill is the goat and I think hes Herniay bad when it comes to drafting, but he pays attention to 3-cone on all players. I use to have a good link on late round OLmen with good 3-cone and its correlation to good times, but I can not find it in my folder. The success rate was much higher. 

Lastly here is a good chart on what you want to see. Being close on this looks bad for top ten hopeful. I didnt want Brown to blow-up the combine, cause he for sure would have gone. But in turn he failed and thus I have to drop him, especially with that horrendous 3-cone......