I Was Not Impress With Matt Moore Today

[BoilingPrestone]

Matt is 3-1 as a starter, but he hasn't been given the reps to develop and get a realistic feel for how good of a QB he can be. The blame for that lies on John Fox. But early impressions are that the Panthers are better off with Moore than Jake. Also, bear in mind that our offensive playcalling is horrible.

[SMACKDAB]

Through the majority of the game it was around 50%. He hit several checkdowns in the second half to boost the numbers but honestly if you don't get first downs and throw the ball down the field what good are short passes? And again why is this turned into a debate about Matt versus Jake which is where you folks seem to want to take it all the time. This is about Moore being the quarterback of the future and moving the ball effectively as we decide what to do next year. So far his 16 points is a low in any victory we have and would have won against anyone else. Color me hopeful he will do well but unconvinced he is the answer.

You aren't going to flip flop that easily without a response. You, and you alone have defended Jake, and Fox to an astounding and nauseating degree.

You have criticized how a QB with 4 starts played like sh!t, in comparison to Jake with all his veteran presence that has given the opposing team almost 100 points on turnovers this year I believe. Would have to look that up to back that up, but I think the last number I heard by announcer yesterday was 98. Have to confirm it.

Nobody has said Moore is the future, but it certainly is this "Jake" you keep defending.

Give the kid a break. You defend Jake who hasn't done sh!t all year, and have all but crucified this young kid with 4 starts under his belt because of your delusional blind love for Jake, and Fox.

You do it repeatedly, and it is getting quite ridiculous and annoying.

I don't care if you don't like me because of our view of the talent level between different players on this team....I really don't......but get a grip please!

You are setting yourself up for a big fall is all you are doing IMHO.

[rayzor]

Moore has been here 3 years. Jake came in with less starting experience in 2003 and lit it up. Ryan came into the league last year and his first game against Detroit (Tampa is the Detroit of this year) and had a rating of 137. There is no reason to believe that inexpereince is a reason for his play yesterday. Then again it could be the offense as well.

As for handcuffing him, it wasn't as if he wasn't hitting his passes. It was more that he looked like David Carr did in 2007. Not very many passes for first downs and constant checkdowns and underneath routes which kept the safeties in. he made very few down the field passes by his or Davidson's design. From another thread I read that some of the draws and runs late in the game were his idea. I wonder who was handcuffing who??

it was on the very end of the last drive. it was after the big throw to smith. the rest of the game it was the coaches limiting him.

now about jake's "lighting it up" when he first got here...you care to look up the stats from his first game starting as a panther? how about his second, third, or fourth?

and matt ryans first game? he only threw 13 times. he hit 9 of them which was good. his first throw? 62 yards that turned into a TD. that more had to do with the element of surprise against the detroit lions than anything else. also...he was the 4th pick overall, wasn't he?

now regarding his time in the system...there is no equal for getting put into a real game. you can't expect someone to jump right into their first experience as a starter ever.

how about aaron rodgers...groomed to be the starter for several years. what did his first chance as a starter look like? remember, he was a 1st round choice on a pass heavy team.

i can go all day looking at guys in their first game regardless of how much time in the system previously and find examples of guys who did well and who did poorly. the truth is that you can't judge them by their first game. in situations like this where a change has been made mid season and a new starter comes in and compare it to the previous starter. in this case, whether you like it or not and no matter how you spin things, moore did better than jake did most of the year. that is what the numbers show. that is the way it looks to most people. that is why they likely aren't going to be rushing jake back out there. they saw enough to give them reason to give him one or more shots as a starter.

true the level of competition wasn't high but, for most people, the expectations weren't either for his first start. he didn't have multiple INTs and he didn't lose the game. his completion percentage was higher and he had the biggest passing play of the season. the players are all happy with what he did and they believe that he can do more. thats what matters.

[rayzor]

Through the majority of the game it was around 50%. He hit several checkdowns in the second half to boost the numbers but honestly if you don't get first downs and throw the ball down the field what good are short passes? And again why is this turned into a debate about Matt versus Jake which is where you folks seem to want to take it all the time. This is about Moore being the quarterback of the future and moving the ball effectively as we decide what to do next year. So far his 16 points is a low in any victory we have and would have won against anyone else. Color me hopeful he will do well but unconvinced he is the answer.

who is saying that he is the long term answer? he's a better answer than jake for this year. unfortunately, the bar is set low.

all i want to do is see what he can do with more opportunities as a starter. case is not closed or even close. i want the best QB possible. if it's moore, cool. i'm not convinced he is by any means but i'm also not convinced that he isn't.

i am sure that he didn't look worse than jake has this year.

[megadeth078]

If everyone does this, we can essentially ban this guy as a forum.

done

[panthers55]

it was on the very end of the last drive. it was after the big throw to smith. the rest of the game it was the coaches limiting him.

now about jake's "lighting it up" when he first got here...you care to look up the stats from his first game starting as a panther? how about his second, third, or fourth?

and matt ryans first game? he only threw 13 times. he hit 9 of them which was good. his first throw? 62 yards that turned into a TD. that more had to do with the element of surprise against the detroit lions than anything else. also...he was the 4th pick overall, wasn't he?

now regarding his time in the system...there is no equal for getting put into a real game. you can't expect someone to jump right into their first experience as a starter ever.

how about aaron rodgers...groomed to be the starter for several years. what did his first chance as a starter look like? remember, he was a 1st round choice on a pass heavy team.

i can go all day looking at guys in their first game regardless of how much time in the system previously and find examples of guys who did well and who did poorly. the truth is that you can't judge them by their first game. in situations like this where a change has been made mid season and a new starter comes in and compare it to the previous starter. in this case, whether you like it or not and no matter how you spin things, moore did better than jake did most of the year. that is what the numbers show. that is the way it looks to most people. that is why they likely aren't going to be rushing jake back out there. they saw enough to give them reason to give him one or more shots as a starter.

true the level of competition wasn't high but, for most people, the expectations weren't either for his first start. he didn't have multiple INTs and he didn't lose the game. his completion percentage was higher and he had the biggest passing play of the season. the players are all happy with what he did and they believe that he can do more. thats what matters.

It cuts both ways . You can look at Josh Freeman or Chad Henne their first game this year. How about Tony Romo against us after sitting about the same time as Moore. There are plenty of guys who come in and play well as there are who struggled particularly after being in the system for 3 seasons. After all if he doesn't know the offense now, when will he learn?

Still it doesn't say he will play better or worse and he should start next week, IMO. I just don't buy the notion that it takes a year to show your potential. If he doesn't play well these last 5 games he will be gone. If he plays well he will have the inside spot as the starter next year. Personally I hope he does play well as we need several options next year. Putting all of your eggs in the hands of a rookie can backfire as much as it succeeds. And honestly Moore has waited for his chance and here it is.

[Porn Shop Clerk]

The kid's got a quick release with some zip. I'd prefer to have him on the bench another year before making him our starting QB, but they gotta play sometime. I still like the idea of Moore starting over some rookie, or Jake right now. Jake might not be done here in Carolina, but he needs to sit the rest of this season out to get his head back on straight, and figure out if this is really what he wants to do.

Race horses or throw touchdowns, Jake? Make up your mind. Plenty of time for one once you're done with the other.

[monstercat]

Matt Moore did about as well as you can expect for somebody who hasn't played in a real game in two years, but the same old problem is still there...we need another playmaking WR and better pass pro. Maybe we'll get lucky and Charly Martin will turn out to be a diamond in the rough.

[venom]

What the fvck are you smoking, or injecting into your veins???

You drag someone off the bench, that hasn't been given a true chance yet, and you want to talk sh!t about his play from one game, but approve of a veteran QB that has been a turn over machine????

You have got to be kidding me....................:mad5:

haha yea no sh*t

[Argus Plexus]

/thread...please.

[rayzor]

It cuts both ways . You can look at Josh Freeman or Chad Henne their first game this year. How about Tony Romo against us after sitting about the same time as Moore. There are plenty of guys who come in and play well as there are who struggled particularly after being in the system for 3 seasons. After all if he doesn't know the offense now, when will he learn?

i was responding to this:

Moore has been here 3 years. Jake came in with less starting experience in 2003 and lit it up. Ryan came into the league last year and his first game against Detroit (Tampa is the Detroit of this year) and had a rating of 137. There is no reason to believe that inexpereince is a reason for his play yesterday. Then again it could be the offense as well.

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now about jake's "lighting it up" when he first got here...you care to look up the stats from his first game starting as a panther? how about his second, third, or fourth?

and matt ryans first game? he only threw 13 times. he hit 9 of them which was good. his first throw? 62 yards that turned into a TD. that more had to do with the element of surprise against the detroit lions than anything else. also...he was the 4th pick overall, wasn't he?

are you saying that he doesn't know the system? that he doesn't know the offense? where did you get that? is that his reason/excuse for not living up to your incredibly high standards or having "lit it up" like jake did when he first started with less starting experience Jake had 2 games compared to moores 3...huge difference there, lol).

he, like everyone else, has to get accustomed to his new role as starter and everyone else has to get used to him in that role. it isn't learning the system, it's adapting to the role and the real pressures of a real game.

many of us are saying that there wasn't a drop off at all form jake to matt. many of us are saying that there was an improvement. you disagree with that. that's fine. you have every right to your opinion.

i would just like for you to tell how there was a drop off from jake to moore if that is what you believe. if there wasn't a drop off...who does that reflect more poorly on, jake or moore?