"I’ve never thought that they didn’t think highly of me," said Moore.

[Montie_0123]

I can't really say Moore regress in 08 because of the fact that he got hurt in the preseason and never played the rest of the year.

[monstercat]

I can't really say Moore regress in 08 because of the fact that he got hurt in the preseason and never played the rest of the year.

It's funny though, that a lot of Panther fans were talking about him then just like they're talking about Delhomme right now. All it took was one bad pre season game and Moore was pure garbage to a lot of fans. Some people just have the attention span of a fruit fly.

[Rhys]

Must be the same case with Kasay and Llyod because there is no reason we should be getting rid of Lloyd when he can kickoff like a machine and he can kicks field goals from 50+ yards out. We are letting the younger, higher potential player go so that our Vet, who is very loyal and who is loved by many fans mind you, can remain with the team.

[The Saltman]

Must be the same case with Kasay and Llyod because there is no reason we should be getting rid of Lloyd when he can kickoff like a machine and he can kicks field goals from 50+ yards out. We are letting the younger, higher potential player go so that our Vet, who is very loyal and who is loved by many fans mind you, can remain with the team.

I dont think we should keep kasay or lloyd. Lloyd cant kick a fieldgoal worth a damn and kasay is older than my grandmother. we need someone young at the position. its not like kasay was all that accurate last year.

[rayzor]

Must be the same case with Kasay and Llyod because there is no reason we should be getting rid of Lloyd when he can kickoff like a machine and he can kicks field goals from 50+ yards out. We are letting the younger, higher potential player go so that our Vet, who is very loyal and who is loved by many fans mind you, can remain with the team.

I dont think we should keep kasay or lloyd. Lloyd cant kick a fieldgoal worth a damn and kasay is older than my grandmother. we need someone young at the position. its not like kasay was all that accurate last year.

wrong thread?

[The Saltman]

wrong thread?

replying to Rhys...ill edit my post with his quote

[panthers55]

I can't really say Moore regress in 08 because of the fact that he got hurt in the preseason and never played the rest of the year.

But he played in all four preseason games which is all most backups play in the NFL unless the starter gets hurt.

In the 2008 preason he completed 54% of his passes with a 52 passer rating. Compare that with his 2007 preseason where he completed 72% of his passes for a rating of 100 in limited work. Even in the 2009 preseason he completed 55% of his passes for a 58 passer rating.

The point is that since the games in 2007 until his breakout in 2009, there was nothing in his body of work or actions off the field to justify any confidence in him. Obviously things have changed and hopefully so has his attitude. Given that he is returning a week early for off-season drills and his new larger contract, this may be a good harbinger of a new and improved Moore who is working hard to become a "football guy".

[panthers55]

Not tendering Rhys has nothing to do with getting rid of him. We are deciding not to tender him which carries a minimum salary requirement in the hopes that we can sign him when no one picks him up for half the going rate of the tender. As for kicking field goals, really who knows. I can't recall him kicking one for us outside of practice.

[Rhys]

wrong thread?

What I'm saying is, I believe Lloyd could handle kicking field goals, but he hasn't been given a chance outside of practice. I was saying the situation is similar to that of Moore/Delhomme. Therefore, it is relevant to the conversation since the OP was describing Fox's reluctance to start the younger higher potential player over the experienced vet at each position.

[Rhys]

Not tendering Rhys has nothing to do with getting rid of him. We are deciding not to tender him which carries a minimum salary requirement in the hopes that we can sign him when no one picks him up for half the going rate of the tender. As for kicking field goals, really who knows. I can't recall him kicking one for us outside of practice.

Only reason I posted was because I asked Llyod over twitter to not leave the Panthers and he said it isn't looking promising for him staying.

[rayzor]

What I'm saying is, I believe Lloyd could handle kicking field goals, but he hasn't been given a chance outside of practice. I was saying the situation is similar to that of Moore/Delhomme. Therefore, it is relevant to the conversation since the OP was describing Fox's reluctance to start the younger higher potential player over the experienced vet at each position.

gotcha.

[rayzor]

since someone keeps bringing up moore's lackluster preseason performance in '08, i'll bring back the question...just who was moore throwing to in those games?

can't remember? i'll remind you.

i pulled this from a discussion last fall about it....

he was throwing to 2nd teamers at best the majority of the time. most of the guys he was throwing to aren't even in the league. with the exception of a little while in the 1st preseason game, he never threw to the starters. in fact he threw once to moose and hoover and twice to smith and that was the only time he got to throw to any starters. he targeted 14 different players. 6 players are still on the team (soon to be 5 after jarrett is gone). the rest of the time he was throwing to the like of toefield, travis taylor, d. thompson, chris hannon, upshaw, birmingham, flemming. how many of those names do you remember and how many have you seen on teams rosters lately?

7/14 107 yards in 1st game against indy (jake started, played 1 series)...

3-M.Moore pass short right to 87-M.Muhammad to CAR 32 for 13 yards .

3-M.Moore pass short right to 45-B.Hoover to CAR 44 for 12 yards.

3-M.Moore pass incomplete deep middle to 89-S.Smith.

3-M.Moore pass to 89-S.Smith to 50 for 19 yards .

3-M.Moore pass incomplete short left to 80-D.Jarrett.

3-M.Moore pass deep left to 80-D.Jarrett to CAR 38 for 19 yards .

3-M.Moore pass short left to 11-J.Carter to IND 36 for 20 yards .

3-M.Moore pass short left to 80-D.Jarrett to IND 28 for 2 yards .

3-M.Moore pass incomplete short left to 11-J.Carter.

3-M.Moore pass incomplete short right to 80-D.Jarrett .

3-M.Moore pass incomplete short right to 33-L.Toefield.

3-M.Moore pass deep middle to 80-D.Jarrett to CAR 42 for 22 yards .

(No Huddle, Shotgun) 3-M.Moore pass incomplete short right to 19-T.Taylor.

3-M.Moore pass incomplete deep middle to 19-T.Taylor.

missed 1 pass to smith, 2 to jarrett, 1 to jason carter, 1 to labrandon toefield, 2 to travis taylor

11/19 85 yards 1 INT against the eagles (jake started, played 1st half)...

3-M.Moore pass incomplete short left to 81-D.Thompson (who???!!?!?!)

3-M.Moore pass incomplete short middle to 15-C.Hannon.

3-M.Moore pass short left to 19-T.Taylor to CAR 18 for 2 yards (42-K.Arrington).

3-M.Moore pass incomplete deep left to 81-D.Thompson [21-J.Hanson].

3-M.Moore pass incomplete short left to 15-C.Hannon.

3-M.Moore pass short left to 81-D.Thompson to CAR 24 for 11 yards (35-N.Graham).

3-M.Moore pass short middle to 85-C.Upshaw to CAR 48 for 9 yards (63-B.Smith).

3-M.Moore pass short left to 81-D.Thompson to PHI 31 for 6 yards (42-K.Arrington).

3-M.Moore pass incomplete deep right to 15-C.Hannon. PENALTY on PHI-42-K.Arrington, Defensive Pass Interference, 30 yards, enforced at CAR 21 - No Play.

3-M.Moore pass incomplete deep right to 15-C.Hannon.

3-M.Moore pass short left to 19-T.Taylor to CAR 30 for 5 yards (35-N.Graham, 39-Q.Demps).

3-M.Moore pass short middle to 85-C.Upshaw to CAR 39 for 9 yards (54-J.Roland).

3-M.Moore pass short right to 85-C.Upshaw to CAR 42 for 3 yards (52-P.Togafau).

3-M.Moore pass short right to 81-D.Thompson to CAR 48 for 6 yards (42-K.Arrington).

3-M.Moore pass incomplete short left to 19-T.Taylor.

3-M.Moore pass short right to 26-D.Birmingham to PHI 41 for 11 yards (39-Q.Demps).

3-M.Moore FUMBLES (Aborted) at PHI 47, and recovers at PHI 45.

3-M.Moore pass short middle to 26-D.Birmingham to PHI 25 for 16 yards (63-B.Smith).

3-M.Moore pass incomplete short right to 85-C.Upshaw.

3-M.Moore pass to 81-D.Thompson pushed ob at PHI 18 for 7 yards (31-T.Fontenot).

3-M.Moore pass short left intended for 26-D.Birmingham INTERCEPTED by 54-J.Roland (39-Q.Demps) at PHI 26. 54-J.Roland for 74 yards, TOUCHDOWN. .

ok...missed passes to who? d. thompson (whoever that is), travis taylor, c. upshaw (who?), chris hannon, decori birmingham. awesome group of receiving options. who of these guys are in the league at all?

2/5 33 yards against the redskins (jake played most of 3 quarters. moore came in with 5 minutes left in 3rd)

3-M.Moore pass incomplete short left to 11-J.Carter. Penalty on CAR-11-J.Carter, Illegal Touch Pass, declined. PENALTY on CAR-3-M.Moore, Illegal Forward Pass, 5 yards, enforced at CAR 28.

3-M.Moore pass incomplete deep middle to 19-T.Taylor.

3-M.Moore pass deep middle to 81-D.Thompson to WAS 40 for 22 yards (48-C.Horton).

3-M.Moore pass incomplete deep left to 19-T.Taylor.

3-M.Moore pass short left to 19-T.Taylor to CAR 42 for 11 yards (29-L.Torrence).

3-M.Moore pass incomplete short middle to 85-C.Upshaw.

missed passes to carter, taylor, and upshaw.

against steelers. panthers starters kept out of whole game. played against the steelers starting defense to start the game.

3-M.Moore pass incomplete short right to 80-D.Jarrett. Coverage by #20 McFadden

3-M.Moore pass deep right to 19-T.Taylor ran ob at PIT 22 for 20 yards.

3-M.Moore pass short middle to 80-D.Jarrett to PIT 15 for 5 yards (92-J.Harrison).

3-M.Moore pass short left to 80-D.Jarrett ran ob at CAR 37 for 8 yards.

3-M.Moore pass deep middle to 88-D.Rosario to PIT 42 for 21 yards (43-T.Polamalu; 25-R.Clark).

3-M.Moore pass deep right intended for 80-D.Jarrett INTERCEPTED by 20-B.McFadden at PIT 28. 20-B.McFadden ran ob at CAR 41 for 31 yards.

3-M.Moore pass deep left to 80-D.Jarrett to CAR 38 for 20 yards (94-L.Timmons).

3-M.Moore pass short left to 19-T.Taylor to CAR 45 for 5 yards (94-L.Timmons).

3-M.Moore pass incomplete deep right to 80-D.Jarrett (57-K.Fox).

3-M.Moore pass short right to 80-D.Jarrett to CAR 25 for 9 yards (20-B.McFadden, 57-K.Fox).

3-M.Moore pass incomplete deep right to 19-T.Taylor (27-An.Smith).

3-M.Moore pass incomplete short right to 19-T.Taylor (30-R.Lewis).

3-M.Moore pass incomplete short left to 19-T.Taylor (93-N.Eason).

3-M.Moore pass short middle to 82-G.Barnidge to PIT 35 for 9 yards (31-T.Williams).

3-M.Moore pass incomplete deep left to 19-T.Taylor. Coverage by #97 A. Harrison, #41 Mason

3-M.Moore pass short right to 80-D.Jarrett pushed ob at PIT 48 for 9 yards (31-T.Williams).

3-M.Moore pass short right to 26-D.Birmingham pushed ob at CAR 46 for 4 yards (30-R.Lewis). PENALTY on PIT-27-An.Smith, Illegal Use of Hands, 5 yards, enforced at CAR 42 - No Play.

3-M.Moore pass short left to 81-D.Thompson ran ob at PIT 44 for 9 yards.

3-M.Moore pass short left to 82-G.Barnidge to PIT 32 for 12 yards (57-K.Fox).

3-M.Moore pass short left to 82-G.Barnidge to PIT 20 for 12 yards (37-A.Madison, 27-An.Smith).

3-M.Moore pass incomplete short middle to 81-D.Thompson. Coverage by #22 Gay

3-M.Moore pass short right to 80-D.Jarrett to PIT 15 for 5 yards (30-R.Lewis).

3-M.Moore pass incomplete short right to 19-T.Taylor (41-G.Mason). The Replay Assistant challenged the pass completion ruling, and the play was Upheld.

3-M.Moore pass short right to 32-T.Fleming to CAR 33 for 6 yards (57-K.Fox).

3-M.Moore pass short left to 32-T.Fleming pushed ob at CAR 36 for 14 yards (57-K.Fox).

3-M.Moore pass short middle intended for 80-D.Jarrett INTERCEPTED by 57-K.Fox at CAR 50. 57-K.Fox to CAR 39 for 11 yards (33-L.Toefield).

3-M.Moore pass incomplete deep left to 80-D.Jarrett. Pressure by #95 McBean, Coverage by #41 Mason

3-M.Moore pass incomplete short middle to 82-G.Barnidge [27-An.Smith]. CAR-3-M.Moore was injured during the play. He is Out. Pressure by #27 An. Smith, Coverage by #57 Fox

missed passes to jarrett (5), taylor (5), thompson (1), and barnidge (1 on the play that moore got injured on)

[Montie_0123]

But he played in all four preseason games which is all most backups play in the NFL unless the starter gets hurt.

In the 2008 preason he completed 54% of his passes with a 52 passer rating. Compare that with his 2007 preseason where he completed 72% of his passes for a rating of 100 in limited work. Even in the 2009 preseason he completed 55% of his passes for a 58 passer rating.

The point is that since the games in 2007 until his breakout in 2009, there was nothing in his body of work or actions off the field to justify any confidence in him. Obviously things have changed and hopefully so has his attitude. Given that he is returning a week early for off-season drills and his new larger contract, this may be a good harbinger of a new and improved Moore who is working hard to become a "football guy".

For me I never really put to much stock in preseason games because you get let down when they don't live up to you saw. And I know we all seen our fair share of that with players that use to be on this team. But I do see your point and it looks like he's making all the right moves to go out and try and win the job hopefully he does.

[Fiz]

since someone keeps bringing up moore's lackluster preseason performance in '08, i'll bring back the question...just who was moore throwing to in those games?

lol you're responding seriously to panthers55