Do you have faith in Dwayne Jarrett's ability to step up next season?

[Dpantherman]

honestly, I can't say no. simply bc Jake Delhomme (post Tommy J) was his primary QB. I want to see what he does with a new QB under center and a full off-season program. I see the potential. the key will be who we add, and how well moore plays.

[Dpantherman]

Here's a chart that shows my confidence in Jarrett over the years since we drafted him...

I think the same can be said for Jake Delhomme's play since Jarrett was draft (excluding what 3-4 games?). Im not blaming Jake, but it helps to have a QB that can get the job done.

[SorthNarolina]

Plenty of rookie receivers came into this league on some crappy teams with awful QB play and did much better than Jarrett. And this is comparing their rookie year to his 3rd year. Everybody's making it seem like he's fighting through all of this adversity when really it's his fault.

He had 5 games with Moore and the only time he did anything was against a Saints team with nothing to play for as well as pulling their starters.

As long as he's a Panther I hope he succeeds but there is a whole lot of finger pointing and denial in this thread. Nothing wrong with being optimistic I like that better than pessimism. But all of these excuses aren't valid.

If all of these things truly were holding him back then barely any rookie in the NFL would do well. Apparently you need a great QB and a starting spot handed to you in order to succeed. No matter what happens on the field the coaches should just keep putting you back out there until you blossom into a beautiful butterfly.

Apparently t's not fair to be benched after running a comeback route like someone put Valium in your Gatorade.

[turnmyleftheadphoneup]

Plenty of rookie receivers came into this league on some crappy teams with awful QB play and did much better than Jarrett. And this is comparing their rookie year to his 3rd year. Everybody's making it seem like he's fighting through all of this adversity when really it's his fault.

He had 5 games with Moore and the only time he did anything was against a Saints team with nothing to play for as well as pulling their starters.

As long as he's a Panther I hope he succeeds but there is a whole lot of finger pointing and denial in this thread. Nothing wrong with being optimistic I like that better than pessimism. But all of these excuses aren't valid.

If all of these things truly were holding him back then barely any rookie in the NFL would do well. Apparently you need a great QB and a starting spot handed to you in order to succeed. No matter what happens on the field the coaches should just keep putting you back out there until you blossom into a beautiful butterfly.

Apparently t's not fair to be benched after running a comeback route like someone put Valium in your Gatorade.

but you gotta admit, he has shown some huge play ability in the few games he did make plays. and i really think it's all about the QB, regardless of pointing fingers. it's the QB's job to put the ball in your hands, or at least give you the opportunity. when he's been on the field, steve smith was opposite of him... who would you rather throw it to when trying to get a first down, trying to win the game... i would throw it to steve smith 99.9% of the time. the only game jarrett didn't play opposite of steve smith last season was the saints game.... I'M JUST SAYIN'!!!!

[magnus]

Yeah, I'm sure his "inability to beat out Moose" had nothing to do with their proven loyalty to veterans.

I think there are limitless excuses that he can be given for not having worked hard enough. FWIW, I don't think that early in the year they were being that loyal to Kenny Moore, or later in the year Charly Martin, since he never sniffed Moose much less threatened him.

[SmootsDaddy89]

I had forgotten about even Martin getting time over Jarrett. That IS troubling.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

Don't forget about when we got penalized because he still can't figure out how to line up in the right spot...

in his third season...

[AceMan]

6 out of the bottom 10 teams in terms of a passer rating had a rookie that out performed Jarrett in his 3rd year.

Let's remember two things...the only QB that was worse than Jake was J.Russell and Jarrett didn't get much playing time as a starter. I would like to know the stats of Jarrett actually playing time compared to those rookies.

remember the Vinny Testaverde talk? Williams wasn't working hard enough. He wasn't blocking well. Probably didn't know the playbook. But sure, that's Fox's fault.

This is the oldest and most tired excuse I keep reading for Fox not starting D-Will over Foster. D-Will wasn't some scrub player before the talk...he was already great. Did Testaverde's talk help D-Will with his work ethic...yes. But all the playbook/blocking is bullshit. YOU CAN'T JUSTIFY FOX NOT GIVING D-WILL MORE PLAYING TIME!!!! It's just like trying to justify Fox sticking with Delhomme this past season.

I had forgotten about even Martin getting time over Jarrett. That IS troubling.

Don't forget about when we got penalized because he still can't figure out how to line up in the right spot...

in his third season...

I remember this and it WAS troubling. I think Jarrett just got lazy which is my biggest problem with him.

[magnus]

This is the oldest and most tired excuse I keep reading for Fox not starting D-Will over Foster. D-Will wasn't some scrub player before the talk...he was already great. Did Testaverde's talk help D-Will with his work ethic...yes. But all the playbook/blocking is bullshit. YOU CAN'T JUSTIFY FOX NOT GIVING D-WILL MORE PLAYING TIME!!!! It's just like trying to justify Fox sticking with Delhomme this past season.

you're right. Deangelo himself didn't credit Testaverde for forcing him to re-evaluate, work harder, and dedicate himself to the game. Williams' teammates didn't note the "night and day" difference to how Williams prepared for games or worked out in the offseason. These things didn't happen at all, I made them up for the sake of this conversation.

[magnus]

I had forgotten about even Martin getting time over Jarrett. That IS troubling.

maybe it was a wakeup call. I'm not damning him for it. But, the guy had a pretty clear run at the #3 spot and didn't beat Moore so I can't say that the team was just stubbornly sticking with Moose, as if Moose didn't earn or deserve the start.

[SorthNarolina]

Let's remember two things...the only QB that was worse than Jake was J.Russell and Jarrett didn't get much playing time as a starter. I would like to know the stats of Jarrett actually playing time compared to those rookies.

The bottom 10 teams have a passer rating of 73 or lower. A lot of those teams didn't have the luxury of a quality QB to play a few games either. We're 7th from the bottom because of moore.

Why is not having playing time such a ray of hope? I would think that if the coaches thought he had what it takes they would have played him by now. They gave UDFA's a chance over him I think that shows something. When a guy doesn't get playing time that's usually considered a bad thing.

I keep hearing all of these theories as to why he doesn't get playing time but when it comes down to it he was not good enough to beat out the competition. The fact that they started to give moore and martin a chance proves they did not think highly of his play. He's not in the doghouse for some trivial problem. He has not played well in his 3 years here, thus he doesn't get playing time.

Maybe 4th times the charm but I really don't know why people can defend him so strongly when he hasn't done anything to earn much praise.

[AceMan]

you're right. Deangelo himself didn't credit Testaverde for forcing him to re-evaluate, work harder, and dedicate himself to the game. Williams' teammates didn't note the "night and day" difference to how Williams prepared for games or worked out in the offseason. These things didn't happen at all, I made them up for the sake of this conversation.

:facepalm

I agreed about the work ethic(though you are exaggerating), but the playbook/blocking stuff is BS. Also, D-Will was always a better runner than Foster. If you believe that D-Will was a back-up caliber player before his talk with Vinny...then I don't know what to tell you. Shoot...if Vinny has such a way with words...we need to bring him in to give a motivational speech before next season!

It's clear that Fox is the type of coach that would rather fail with a hardworking veteran who is struggling than a guy who he deems as slacking off but is the better player. Instead of actually being a coach and motivating that player, he'd rather bury them. It is the same reason why a player like Peppers can half-ass so long without any consequences.

D. Jarrett biggest mistake was half-assing it his rookie year. After that, we got Moose and he was effectively buried. Now, he has another opportunity. I believe he has the talent to be a #2. It's just a matter of his work ethic.

[magnus]

Also, D-Will was always a better runner than Foster. If you believe that D-Will was a back-up caliber player before his talk with Vinny...then I don't know what to tell you.

through the first half of 2007, Foster led the league in first down runs. He wore down heavily late, sure. But he was running very hard in the first eight. With terrible blocking.

And here's where I think you're screwing up, partially with Williams, and partially with Jarrett. Being a back-up and having starting talent are two different things. Jarrett hasn't earned anything on the field. Williams showed flashes and then screwups. He didn't earn his starts until he'd earned them. Having talent is only one part and being a professional is obviously important to Fox, and players who play like professionals flourish for him.

I don't know. Hell. They were the ones that voluntarily brought up that Williams didn't work hard before 2008, argue it with them.

[Brooklyn Bully]

One thing I'm seeing over and over here is that people think MOORE will be the reason Jarrett suddenly plays like he played IN COLLEGE. Right? Right. I'm also seeing the blame laid at the feet of Jake. Right? Right.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong...but wasn't Jarrett on the roster when we went 12-4? :wink:

Jake may have played like ass last season, but DJ has been here when he hasn't played like ass. Cough up his rookie year to partying (cue Smitty's playbook comment here), but he must have shown them all nothing in his second season to gain no trust from the coaches and Jake.