Every John Fox/Hurney draft pick

[Delhommey]

But not like the Panthers have. Just look at the DT picks

Atiyyah Ellison- SUCKED- Ellison was drafted before these Defensive Tackles: Pro Bowler Jay Ratliff, and C.J. Mosley.

Nick Hayden- SUCKS- Hayden was drafted before Ahtyba Rubin.

Corvey Irvin- IS GOING TO SUCK- Irvin was drafted before Sammie Hill.

At least the guys I mentioned above have produced.

No of course not. All 31 other teams have successfully drafted DT's over and over without any significant number of busts.

/tears garment

//shaves head

///dons sackcloth and ashes

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

No of course not. All 31 other teams have successfully drafted DT's over and over without any significant number of busts.

/tears garment

//shaves head

///dons sackcloth and ashes

In the past 1O years find me a team that has drafted defensive tackle's and all of them have recorded stats worse than this...

2OO9 Stats

Atiyyah Ellison- 16 tackles

Nick Hayden- 17 tackles

Corvey Irvin- O tackles

Anymore stupid comments???

[theyhateme45]

Everybody's wasted picks on shitty DT's.

Not to mention Shitty WR's.

[theyhateme45]

In the past 1O years find me a team that has drafted defensive tackle's and all of them have recorded stats worse than this...

2OO9 Stats

Atiyyah Ellison- 16 tackles

Nick Hayden- 17 tackles

Corvey Irvin- O tackles

Anymore stupid comments???

Dude teams have failed drafted DT's early in the draft.... None of these DT's were drafted to come in and immediately contribute.... They were drafted from the middle to later of the draft... more project type picks.... Complain when we spend 1st round picks on them and then fail!!

Any more stupid arguments you want to make??

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Dude teams have failed drafted DT's early in the draft.... None of these DT's were drafted to come in and immediately contribute.... They were drafted from the middle to later of the draft... more project type picks.... Complain when we spend 1st round picks on them and then fail!!

Any more stupid arguments you want to make??

Uh yeah, there are plenty of guys that can contribute that are drafted in the mid rounds or even undrafted that come in and contribute right away. And since you brought up wide receivers in your previous post we will look at them. We drafted Keary Colbert and Drew Carter in 2OO4 and passed on Wes Welker, Malcom Floyd, Patrick Crayton, Mark Jones, Ernest Wilford, Jerricho Cotchrey, and Bernard Berrian.

In 2OO7 we drafted Dwayne Jarrett before Steve Smith, Mike-Sims Walker, Johnnie-Lee Higgins, and Yamon Figurs. As where Ryne Robinson was drafted before Steve Breaston.

The point is the Panthers reach to much, and can't draft worth a damn after the first 3 Rounds.

Any more smart-ass comments???

[OneBadassCat]

It's not fair to judge Irvin yet.

[House]

In the past 1O years find me a team that has drafted defensive tackle's and all of them have recorded stats worse than this...

2OO9 Stats

Atiyyah Ellison- 16 tackles

Nick Hayden- 17 tackles

Corvey Irvin- O tackles

Anymore stupid comments???

Off the top of my head the Denver Bronco's. The Buffalo Bills have drafted about 4 times as many DT's as we have and only one of them a 5th rounder Kyle Williams has panned out to be anything. They also spent a 1st on a DT who hasn't worked out, McCargo. The Redskins haven't had any luck at DT either, although I think they have only drafted like 1 or 2 DT's since 2002.

Every team struggles to find talent at different positions. Look how many WR's that Philly drafted before hitting on Jackson. Now everyone thinks that Philly is a great team at finding WR's.

[Seal (SmittyIsOurSavior)]

Good picks in green, bad in red, orange is unknown yet.

2002

2 2 Julius Peppers Panthers DE North Carolina

2 34 DeShaun Foster Panthers RB UCLA

8 72 Will Witherspoon Panthers LB Georgia

2 100 Dante Wesley Panthers DB Arkansas-Pine Bluff

2 137 Randy Fasani Panthers QB Stanford

2 174 Keith Heinrich Panthers TE Sam Houston State

47 258 Brad Franklin Panthers DB Louisiana-Lafayette

2003

8 8 Jordan Gross Panthers T Utah

18 50 Bruce Nelson Panthers C Iowa

12 76 Mike Seidman Panthers TE UCLA

18 82 Ricky Manning Panthers DB UCLA

22 119 Colin Branch Panthers DB Stanford

2004

28 28 Chris Gamble Panthers DB Ohio State

30 62 Keary Colbert Panthers WR USC

31 94 Travelle Wharton Panthers T South Carolina

31 163 Drew Carter Panthers WR Ohio State

31 196 Sean Tufts Panthers LB Colorado

31 232 Michael Gaines Panthers TE Central Florida

2005

14 14 Thomas Davis Panthers DB Georgia

22 54 Eric Shelton Panthers RB Louisville

15 79 Evan Mathis Panthers G Alabama

25 89 Atiyyah Ellison Panthers DT Missouri

20 121 Stefan Lefors Panthers QB Louisville

13 149 Adam Seward Panthers LB Nevada-Las Vegas

33 169 Geoff Hangartner Panthers C Texas A&M

15 189 Jovan Haye Panthers DE Vanderbilt

33 207 Joe Berger Panthers T Michigan Tech

2006

27 27 DeAngelo Williams Panthers RB Memphis

26 58 Richard Marshall Panthers DB Fresno State

24 88 James Anderson Panthers LB Virginia Tech 25 )

89 Rashad Butler Panthers T Miami (FL

24 121 Nate Salley Panthers DB Ohio State

23 155 Jeff King Panthers TE Virginia Tech

26 234 Will Montgomery Panthers G Virginia Tech

2007

25 25 Jon Beason Panthers LB Miami (FL

13 45 Dwayne Jarrett Panthers WR USC

27 59 Ryan Kalil Panthers C USC

20 83 Charles Johnson Panthers DE Georgia

19 118 Ryne Robinson Panthers WR Miami (OH)

18 155 Dante Rosario Panthers TE Oregon

16 226 C.J. Wilson Panthers DB Baylor

2008

13 13 Jonathan Stewart Panthers RB Oregon

19 19 Jeff Otah Panthers T Pittsburgh

11 74 Dan Connor Panthers LB Penn State

6 141 Gary Barnidge Panthers TE Louisville

15 181 Nick Hayden Panthers DT Wisconsin

43 250 Mackenzy Bernadeau Panthers G Bentley

2009

11 43 Everette Brown Panthers DE Florida State

27 59 Sherrod Martin Panthers DB Troy State

29 93 Corvey Irvin Panthers DT Georgia

11 111 Mike Goodson Panthers RB Texas A&M

27 163 Duke Robinson Panthers T Oklahoma

7 216 Captain Munnerlyn Panthers DB South Carolina

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this is good for the most part.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Good picks in green, bad in red, orange is unknown yet.

2002

2 2 Julius Peppers Panthers DE North Carolina

2 34 DeShaun Foster Panthers RB UCLA

8 72 Will Witherspoon Panthers LB Georgia

2 100 Dante Wesley Panthers DB Arkansas-Pine Bluff

2 137 Randy Fasani Panthers QB Stanford

2 174 Keith Heinrich Panthers TE Sam Houston State

47 258 Brad Franklin Panthers DB Louisiana-Lafayette

2003

8 8 Jordan Gross Panthers T Utah

18 50 Bruce Nelson Panthers C Iowa

12 76 Mike Seidman Panthers TE UCLA

18 82 Ricky Manning Panthers DB UCLA

22 119 Colin Branch Panthers DB Stanford

2004

28 28 Chris Gamble Panthers DB Ohio State

30 62 Keary Colbert Panthers WR USC

31 94 Travelle Wharton Panthers T South Carolina

31 163 Drew Carter Panthers WR Ohio State

31 196 Sean Tufts Panthers LB Colorado

31 232 Michael Gaines Panthers TE Central Florida

2005

14 14 Thomas Davis Panthers DB Georgia

22 54 Eric Shelton Panthers RB Louisville

15 79 Evan Mathis Panthers G Alabama

25 89 Atiyyah Ellison Panthers DT Missouri

20 121 Stefan Lefors Panthers QB Louisville

13 149 Adam Seward Panthers LB Nevada-Las Vegas

33 169 Geoff Hangartner Panthers C Texas A&M

15 189 Jovan Haye Panthers DE Vanderbilt

33 207 Joe Berger Panthers T Michigan Tech

2006

27 27 DeAngelo Williams Panthers RB Memphis

26 58 Richard Marshall Panthers DB Fresno State

24 88 James Anderson Panthers LB Virginia Tech 25 )

89 Rashad Butler Panthers T Miami (FL

24 121 Nate Salley Panthers DB Ohio State

23 155 Jeff King Panthers TE Virginia Tech

26 234 Will Montgomery Panthers G Virginia Tech

2007

25 25 Jon Beason Panthers LB Miami (FL

13 45 Dwayne Jarrett Panthers WR USC

27 59 Ryan Kalil Panthers C USC

20 83 Charles Johnson Panthers DE Georgia

19 118 Ryne Robinson Panthers WR Miami (OH)

18 155 Dante Rosario Panthers TE Oregon

16 226 C.J. Wilson Panthers DB Baylor

2008

13 13 Jonathan Stewart Panthers RB Oregon

19 19 Jeff Otah Panthers T Pittsburgh

11 74 Dan Connor Panthers LB Penn State

6 141 Gary Barnidge Panthers TE Louisville

15 181 Nick Hayden Panthers DT Wisconsin

43 250 Mackenzy Bernadeau Panthers G Bentley

2009

11 43 Everette Brown Panthers DE Florida State

27 59 Sherrod Martin Panthers DB Troy State

29 93 Corvey Irvin Panthers DT Georgia

11 111 Mike Goodson Panthers RB Texas A&M

27 163 Duke Robinson Panthers T Oklahoma

7 216 Captain Munnerlyn Panthers DB South Carolina

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this is good for the most part.

Colors are messed up bro.

[Seal (SmittyIsOurSavior)]

Oh wow. Color issues. Hold on a sec.

[cdandi1]

i agree, irvin hasn't played yet..too early to judge him.

[OneBadassCat]

Good picks in green, bad in red, orange is unknown yet.

2002

2 2 Julius Peppers Panthers DE North Carolina

2 34 DeShaun Foster Panthers RB UCLA

8 72 Will Witherspoon Panthers LB Georgia

2 100 Dante Wesley Panthers DB Arkansas-Pine Bluff

2 137 Randy Fasani Panthers QB Stanford

2 174 Keith Heinrich Panthers TE Sam Houston State

47 258 Brad Franklin Panthers DB Louisiana-Lafayette

2003

8 8 Jordan Gross Panthers T Utah

18 50 Bruce Nelson Panthers C Iowa

12 76 Mike Seidman Panthers TE UCLA

18 82 Ricky Manning Panthers DB UCLA

22 119 Colin Branch Panthers DB Stanford

2004

28 28 Chris Gamble Panthers DB Ohio State

30 62 Keary Colbert Panthers WR USC

31 94 Travelle Wharton Panthers T South Carolina

31 163 Drew Carter Panthers WR Ohio State

31 196 Sean Tufts Panthers LB Colorado

31 232 Michael Gaines Panthers TE Central Florida

2005

14 14 Thomas Davis Panthers DB Georgia

22 54 Eric Shelton Panthers RB Louisville

15 79 Evan Mathis Panthers G Alabama

25 89 Atiyyah Ellison Panthers DT Missouri

20 121 Stefan Lefors Panthers QB Louisville

13 149 Adam Seward Panthers LB Nevada-Las Vegas

33 169 Geoff Hangartner Panthers C Texas A&M

15 189 Jovan Haye Panthers DE Vanderbilt

33 207 Joe Berger Panthers T Michigan Tech

2006

27 27 DeAngelo Williams Panthers RB Memphis

26 58 Richard Marshall Panthers DB Fresno State

24 88 James Anderson Panthers LB Virginia Tech 25 )

89 Rashad Butler Panthers T Miami (FL

24 121 Nate Salley Panthers DB Ohio State

23 155 Jeff King Panthers TE Virginia Tech

26 234 Will Montgomery Panthers G Virginia Tech

2007

25 25 Jon Beason Panthers LB Miami (FL

13 45 Dwayne Jarrett Panthers WR USC

27 59 Ryan Kalil Panthers C USC

20 83 Charles Johnson Panthers DE Georgia

19 118 Ryne Robinson Panthers WR Miami (OH)

18 155 Dante Rosario Panthers TE Oregon

16 226 C.J. Wilson Panthers DB Baylor

2008

13 13 Jonathan Stewart Panthers RB Oregon

19 19 Jeff Otah Panthers T Pittsburgh

11 74 Dan Connor Panthers LB Penn State

6 141 Gary Barnidge Panthers TE Louisville

15 181 Nick Hayden Panthers DT Wisconsin

43 250 Mackenzy Bernadeau Panthers G Bentley

2009

11 43 Everette Brown Panthers DE Florida State

27 59 Sherrod Martin Panthers DB Troy State

29 93 Corvey Irvin Panthers DT Georgia

11 111 Mike Goodson Panthers RB Texas A&M

27 163 Duke Robinson Panthers T Oklahoma

7 216 Captain Munnerlyn Panthers DB South Carolina

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this is good for the most part.

Deshaun Foster was a good pick imo. He would have been a great player had he not been bit by the injury bug. I honestly believe he would have been really special. Drew Carter was pretty decent for a 5th round pick. Hangman was a great selection and Michael Gaines was never used to his talents. Javon Haye is a good player, just not for us.

[theyhateme45]

Uh yeah, there are plenty of guys that can contribute that are drafted in the mid rounds or even undrafted that come in and contribute right away. And since you brought up wide receivers in your previous post we will look at them. We drafted Keary Colbert and Drew Carter in 2OO4 and passed on Wes Welker, Malcom Floyd, Patrick Crayton, Mark Jones, Ernest Wilford, Jerricho Cotchrey, and Bernard Berrian.

In 2OO7 we drafted Dwayne Jarrett before Steve Smith, Mike-Sims Walker, Johnnie-Lee Higgins, and Yamon Figurs. As where Ryne Robinson was drafted before Steve Breaston.

The point is the Panthers reach to much, and can't draft worth a damn after the first 3 Rounds.

Any more smart-ass comments???

Hindsight really is 20/20.... I guess all these NFL scouts should know exactly who is going to do what once they get to the NFL.... Right! It's a science.... so easy to evaluate based on college tape when they played in different systems with different competition.

You want to mention the few who succeeded, why not mention the 23 WR's who were drafted after Dwayne Jarrett who have not panned out, or the 17 that were drafted after Colbert who did not work out....

Way to look at the big picture dude :thumbsup:

Whats wrong with the NFL Front office???? Not nailing everyone of these 250 + NFL picks a year??? Come on Man!!!!

[Seal (SmittyIsOurSavior)]

There we go...