We threw 41 times. The John Fox irony: "Too agressive?".

[panthers55]

Yeah but isn't that the point of this season, the WRs we drafted and the entire re-building process? To build a passing threat?

Look we haven't won one game this year by trying to play like we have in the past. Our first win was thanks to the passing game this year. So why should we go back to something that hasn't worked this year when it's clear this team cannot replicated what the Panthers teams of the past have done?

This team is obviously NOT a run-heavy team. Our O-line isn't what it needs to be for that. We should stick to what's worked. And right now, passing for 41 times with Moore got us a W. I say try to do it again.

We are trying to build a passing attack by using more 3 or 4 WR sets and trying to be less predictable. That is a far cry from being a primary passing team and throwing the ball 50 times a game. We above all need to stay balanced which means we run and pass. Hopefully at times when it is unexpected and less predictable in the pass.

The running attack will succeed as the passing attack develops. It isn't an either or kind of thing but both. Saying we should pass it 41 times again because we got a win before is pretty naive. It is really about taking what the defense gives us and gameplanning to be able to adjust as the game continues.

[pantherclaw]

A west coast offense is an conservative offense.

While we don't run a west coast offense, many people have no idea that a passing offense can also be conservative. Speciall when most of the passes are no more than 20 yards, and dump offs. They are know as high percentage/safe plays. I.e. a conservative offense.

While passing is great...a team must run and pass well to really be able to keep defenses honest, and oh their heels. Ya don't need agressiveness to do so..just balance.

[PantherFanForLife]

A west coast offense is an conservative offense.

While we don't run a west coast offense, many people have no idea that a passing offense can also be conservative. Speciall when most of the passes are no more than 20 yards, and dump offs. They are know as high percentage/safe plays. I.e. a conservative offense.

While passing is great...a team must run and pass well to really be able to keep defenses honest, and oh their heels. Ya don't need agressiveness to do so..just balance.

NO does that and we also tried that when we played them with Jimmy. Honestly the entire time Jimmy was at QB it reminded me a lot of that. I have a feeling they designed the play-calls that way.

And that didn't work. With Matt, Fox just let him loose this weekend and it paid off. When Jake played, if we were not conservative, throwing 15-20 passes a game and letting the run game take over....we were also letting him sling it and that worked....up until his last season anyway.

Long passing has always paid off for us and got us critical touchdowns whether we were running that day or we were throwing. We just never had a mix of long passes and short passing plays.

It was either run with the occasional bomb.

Or airing it out all day long with lots of bombs.

We never had that good mix of run up the middle, bombs for a long play, run to the sides, happy short pass attempts....that's kind of what I want to see.

And I think this past weekend we were closer to that than ever. The run just wasn't effective but we did run the plays that would have offered us that mix.

[mav1234]

A lot of what we saw from Clausen was check downs and quick throws because of how the O-line was holding up unfortunately. Fox has always been about the deep playaction pass; he just prefers not to play games where you need to throw it 40 times to win.

I get that. this is a team built to run. the inability to really get much done on the ground was bad, and it doesn't bode well for this year, but...

tbh, if we keep winning throwing it 40 times... whats the big deal? eh, whatever.

[PantherFanForLife]

A lot of what we saw from Clausen was check downs and quick throws because of how the O-line was holding up unfortunately. Fox has always been about the deep playaction pass; he just prefers not to play games where you need to throw it 40 times to win.

I get that. this is a team built to run. the inability to really get much done on the ground was bad, and it doesn't bode well for this year, but...

tbh, if we keep winning throwing it 40 times... whats the big deal? eh, whatever.

Was. Sure doesn't look like it this year. And I agree, and I think he should keep the pedal to the floor, throw caution to the win. At 1-5, 2-5, 3-5, heck even at .500...you still have nothing to lose if you play balls out and take risks.