Missouri Fans perspective on Gabbert

[rayzor]

Who do you take next year then? They are already saying that is a relatively weak class for QB in itself other than Luck. Chances are that we will not get Luck (barring a miracle) then what? Ride the vet for another year and another and another until he retires then draft a guy?

And as far as him not being 1st round material, that is a joke. There is a reason scouts are raving about him, and its not because Luck stayed, he was a top 5 pick with Luck in the draft.

it's very likely that we will still finish with a top 5 pick next year, in which case i would go after either luck or matt barkely, both of which are better prospects than the guys in the draft this year. if we aren't content to wait and see if we can snag one of those guys, then we trade down if possible and wait until the 2nd or 3rd round to pick up a QB. there isn't a whole lot of separation between the top 10 QBs this year and we could easily find one with very little drop off in the 2nd round or with the first pick in the 3rd.

as for scouts raving about him, scouts were raving about leaf, russell, leinart, clausen, ....yada yada yada. that doesn't mean much. it's a weak class and he's a weak prospect. someone you take in the top 5 better be free of a lot of questions that gabba has around him. he better not be someone who only looks on one side of the field. DCs are going to drool over a QB that does that. he'd better not be someone that panics when the pressure is on him and has a tendency to make big mistakes. pressures only going to get worse when he starts playing with grown ups.

seriously...i want someone with more than "all the physical tools". i am far from convinced that he has all the intangibles to be a good pro QB. i see a prospect in him no more ready than clausen was to be in the pros. in fact clausen was probably more ready just because of the type of offense he played in. all i see from pro-gabba people is making excuses for not being stellar when he is criticized. thats the same crap we are having to deal with from clausen supporters.

the team that reaches for him in the top 5 will be the team regreting it for years.

[jdogg66]

the team that reaches for him in the top 5 will be the team regreting it for years.

so who do you work for? apparently your an nfl scout :willy_nilly:

[rayzor]

i know a bad QB when i see one.

[CarolinaCatBrigade]

i know a bad QB when i see one.

So did the scouts who thought Troy Aikmen was garbage for the first 3 years. Before he turned into... well.... Troy Aikmen.

[House]

If there is a cap or a slot pay scale for rookie salaries this year, then I would not be as adverse to taking him #1 overall. Only because there is potential there in 3-4 years IF he is willing to put in the work and learn.

If there is no cap or pay scale, and rookies being signed this year are still under the old system, no way in hell would I draft this kid #1. He may be worth a 4 yr/ $15 million contract to see if he pans out. No way in hell is he worth a 5-6 year $80 million contract.

Honestly though, I don't really see it. Any other year he would be a second round QB. Now that Luck is out, scouts and the media are just trying to find a new #1 QB. In doing so that have hyper-inflated Gabberts abilities and draft stock.

[TheRealDeal]

so who do you work for? apparently your an nfl scout :willy_nilly:

Bad argument. Always was, always will be. You don't have to be a scout to have knowledgeable opinions.

[rayzor]

So did the scouts who thought Troy Aikmen was garbage for the first 3 years. Before he turned into... well.... Troy Aikmen.

ugh. wasn't there a thread using this same argument for how clausen might be good later?

funny how all the excuses made for clausen as a rookie are being used for gabbert as a college player. imo, that doesn't bode well for him.

i see gabbert as being just a taller version of clausen without the experience playing in a pro style offense. looking at clausen last year as a propect and gabba this year, i actually see clausen as having more potential, and that isn't a compliment to clausen either.

[rayzor]

If there is a cap or a slot pay scale for rookie salaries this year, then I would not be as adverse to taking him #1 overall. Only because there is potential there in 3-4 years IF he is willing to put in the work and learn.

If there is no cap or pay scale, and rookies being signed this year are still under the old system, no way in hell would I draft this kid #1. He may be worth a 4 yr/ $15 million contract to see if he pans out. No way in hell is he worth a 5-6 year $80 million contract.

Honestly though, I don't really see it. Any other year he would be a second round QB. Now that Luck is out, scouts and the media are just trying to find a new #1 QB. In doing so that have hyper-inflated Gabberts abilities and draft stock.

100% on target here.

[House]

Bad argument. Always was, always will be. You don't have to be a scout to have knowledgeable opinions.

Well, if you agree with what an NFL scout has to say it is because an NFL scout said it and is knowledgable. If you don't agree, then you must be an NFL scout or your opinion is worthless. Unless you think that NFL scouts are stupid and you are smarter than them. Then everyone who listens to a 'pro' is just a sheep. Unless the 'pro' agrees with you and then he is a genius who reinforces your own brilliance.

Or maybe nobody really knows and everyone on here is just an ass-hole. Or maybe I am just an ass-hole for calling you all ass-holes. But you all are really ass-holes, so if I am an ass-hole for calling of you ass-holes, does that make me the biggest ass-hole?

[Sloth]

ugh. wasn't there a thread using this same argument for how clausen might be good later?

funny how all the excuses made for clausen as a rookie are being used for gabbert as a college player. imo, that doesn't bode well for him.

i see gabbert as being just a taller version of clausen without the experience playing in a pro style offense. looking at clausen last year as a propect and gabba this year, i actually see clausen as having more potential, and that isn't a compliment to clausen either.

Let me preface this by saying I don't think Gabbert should go #1.

The tangible stuff between Clausen and Gabbert is completely different. Gabbert has a huge arm with a quick release. Really good mechanics. He's a legit 6'5" and almost 240lbs. He's pretty mobile for how big of a guy he is.

The intangibles, where Clausen really got dinged, are pretty high for Gabbert. He's done well academically, played through pain, won quite a few games and is known as a leader in the locker room and on the field.

Gabbert's weaknesses are lol spread, he runs sometimes when he shouldn't, freaks out about the rush a little easily and his decision-making is very wtf! from time to time. Most of these are to a minor degree, with the concern over the offense he ran and how quickly he'll be able to learn an NFL playbook being the biggest areas of concern.

I've got a friend who is a Mizzou fan and actually watched a few of his games this season. He looked good, but not top of round 1 good.

[Captain Obvious]

So If Arizona "wants" him at 5. We need to talk him up like he is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Pretend he is the next coming of Brady, Manning and Brees all wrapped up in one. Then swap picks with the a-holes and take someone else with a better value.

[House]

I am starting to believe that all of this Gabbert talk has a direct correlation to "Kurbs Theory of Mainstream Media's Panther Hatred".

The MSM hate the Panthers, they are secretly hoping that they can artificially inflate Gabbert into the #1 position and Hurney and JR will fall for it and select him. Thus, sending the Panthers into a millenium of abject failure and obscurity.

[rayzor]

Let me preface this by saying I don't think Gabbert should go #1.

The tangible stuff between Clausen and Gabbert is completely different. Gabbert has a huge arm with a quick release. Really good mechanics. He's a legit 6'5" and almost 240lbs. He's pretty mobile for how big of a guy he is.

The intangibles, where Clausen really got dinged, are pretty high for Gabbert. He's done well academically, played through pain, won quite a few games and is known as a leader in the locker room and on the field.

Gabbert's weaknesses are lol spread, he runs sometimes when he shouldn't, freaks out about the rush a little easily and his decision-making is very wtf! from time to time. Most of these are to a minor degree, with the concern over the offense he ran and how quickly he'll be able to learn an NFL playbook being the biggest knocks.

I've got a friend who is a Mizzou fan and actually watched a few of his games this season. He looked good, but not top of round 1 good.

clausen was praised for having a quick and compact release and was said to be able to make any throw he was asked. he was priased for his work ethic and high football IQ.

you said gabba played through pain, but clausen played with turf toe his whole last season. the knock on his leadership was only made by people outside the organization. every coach and teammate he had praised him for his leadership and work ethic. imo, those are the guys who would best know.

you make clausen a few inches taller and put him in a spread offense and i believe you would have a better pro prospect than gabba.

again, that isn't neccessarily praise for clausen.

[Highlandfire]

Gabbart is not worth #1, No QB in this draft is worth it. Now will they be worth it looking back 5 years from now? Yeah its entirely possible, but right now, no way in hell. As for as Gabbart himself, Don't like him. Can't read but more than 1/2 of the field, only put up 16 TD's in a spread offense. I just dont like his decision making at the College level.