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So if there's a lockout what will our coaches, rookies and practice squad do in 2011?


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I believe so. Jimmy Clausen went back to finish his degree at ND because he said the lockout allowed him to.

That's news to me. I hadn't heard that one. So basically by 2012 instead of Clausen improving he will be worse. And then Smitty will be worse because he will be old and his rust is going to start eating away at him.

Awesome.

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That's news to me. I hadn't heard that one. So basically by 2012 instead of Clausen improving he will be worse. And then Smitty will be worse because he will be old and his rust is going to start eating away at him.

Awesome.

I'm pretty pissed about that as well. I don't think he has his priorities straight, but here's the news article.

http://www.wndu.com/sports/headlines/Clausen_returns_to_Notre_Dame_to_finish_degree_114253389.html

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I'm pretty pissed about that as well. I don't think he has his priorities straight, but here's the news article.

http://www.wndu.com/sports/headlines/Clausen_returns_to_Notre_Dame_to_finish_degree_114253389.html

Dang. I don't know maybe he does. Maybe he sees the writing on the wall and he's not as dumb as I think he is. Better go ahead and get that diploma. Sucks finding a job without one.

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You do realize the vast majority of players, that leave college early, go back and get their degrees in the offseason. This is nothing new. Nor is it an indictment on Jimmy's work ethic or dedication to football.

And as far as players like Smitty, most veterans already have personal training programs in the offseason. If anything, I would think that the year off, as excrutiating as it would be for us fans, would be good for them. Time to heal completely from all the day to day wear and tear that guys play through. Not to mention that 18 months of training and they should be in the best shape of their lives.

There will, undoubtedly, be players that will not take advantage of this time. Sit on their asses, get fat and show up out of shape. Most of those players would have the same problems in a normal offseason. See Jenkins, Kris; Haynesworth, Albert; Russell, Jawalrus etc.

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I'm pretty pissed about that as well. I don't think he has his priorities straight, but here's the news article.

http://www.wndu.com/sports/headlines/Clausen_returns_to_Notre_Dame_to_finish_degree_114253389.html

you guys make big issues out of nothing, if anything this may give us an indication that both sides are a long way off from coming to a deal. if he were missing ota's or something like that i would be upset.

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So this is why Jerry went "young". I wish there was a 'fan' side to this whole CBA, people who went on strike because their well invested team financially, and to put it in the NFL's words emotionally invested. NFL is a business and as a fan I should not have to sit through a year of no NFL. They need to have a deadline for a deal before somebody else steps in because with no deadline why not lockout the season to prove your point JR sure as hell would.

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So this is why Jerry went "young". I wish there was a 'fan' side to this whole CBA, people who went on strike because their well invested team financially, and to put it in the NFL's words emotionally invested. NFL is a business and as a fan I should not have to sit through a year of no NFL. They need to have a deadline for a deal before somebody else steps in because with no deadline why not lockout the season to prove your point JR sure as hell would.

The lockout isn't meant to prove a point. It's meant to put so much pressure on the NFLPA that it cracks and signs a deal that will eventually benefit the owners long term, even including the year there's a lockout.

Honestly I am siding with the owners on this one. Maybe they are not exactly losing money like they say, but they must certainly be taking a pretty big hit for them to come out and say something like that, and it's easy to see that some players salaries have simply become astronomical.

The rookie salaries are a joke. No point in even arguing that. But even some of the regular season salaries are out there.

The fact is each NFL team has a small group of guys that include the GM and owner that deals with contracts. On the other side of the fence, for every NFL player there's an NFL player agent whose job 24/7 is to figure out a way to scheme owners out of more money. You can see the problem there.

When you have hundreds of those guys year after year chipping away at increasing salaries around the league, it is easy to see how it's gotten to this point. It needs to be reset. Otherwise in 5 -10 years, this pattern along with inflation will drive stars and rookies salaries to the point where owners simply WON'T have enough money to pay them and our tickets will be astronomical.

Can anyone honestly tell me the percentage in abilities between an average player and an elite player and the difference in their salaries match up? Is Julius Pepper's production and abilities really 5-10 times that of a guy like Charles Johnson to warrant a contract worth 5-10 times the amount?

I don't think so.

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