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Was Rivera our 1st choice?


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"Titans OL coach Munchak appears to be the favorite to become the teams next head coach. He has already turned down three offers this year to take position with other teams which included the Carolina Panthers head coaching job, per Adam Schefter."

Now this would have been an interesting hire.....the Panthers had a deal on the table and were turned down....imagine if this hire had happened.....we would have a completely different outlook then....

What this really says to me is......Rivera was not the first choice and may not have been the second or third....

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"Titans OL coach Munchak appears to be the favorite to become the teams next head coach. He has already turned down three offers this year to take position with other teams which included the Carolina Panthers head coaching job, per Adam Schefter."

Now this would have been an interesting hire.....the Panthers had a deal on the table and were turned down....imagine if this hire had happened.....we would have a completely different outlook then....

What this really says to me is......Rivera was not the first choice and may not have been the second or third....

see...here is something that schefter pulled out of his arse.

don't believe the chump.

munchak wasn't a serious consideration for really anyone.

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the guys they were interested in they went out and interviewed and then they hired the guy they liked.

move on.

Correction.

The guys that were interested in the Panthers, they went out and interviewed and they hired A guy they liked.

If this report is correct, Rivera was never THE guy, he was A guy. The question is how many guys were there ahead of Rivera?

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Correction.

The guys that were interested in the Panthers, they went out and interviewed and they hired A guy they liked.

If this report is correct, Rivera was never THE guy, he was A guy. The question is how many guys were there ahead of Rivera?

2 Cowher and Gruden. ;)

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unless you would rather just live a paranoid existance and believe that there is some massive consipracy going on.

Now that's just silly.

I'm only suggesting Rivera was not the top name on the list and that the Panthers may have settled. It's a fair suggestion considering the report that has been blasted all over ESPN as a fact. If a deal was on the table and refused, then that sounds like an important little tid bit of information.

I would hate for Richardson to be hiring whatever he can find available, rather than actually assembling a quality coaching staff that meshes together. I'm already concerned that Rivera doesn't have enough control or even input into the coaching staff selection process.

Yes men bother me. I pray that Rivera is not Richardson's yes man.

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Do you people have short term memory loss or something?

Rivera was the first person they interviewed, and all the other candidates said they didn't even feel like they had a shot because Rivera was a shoe in for the job. If that doesn't scream "THATS THE GUY WE WANT!" I don't know what does.

You really think we wanted some OC over a highly touted DC?

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