Jaws: "I wouldn't give up on Jimmy"

[MadHatter]

DT may be a need but you can plug that hole on defense in FA, or wait until next year(you can find a good DT even in the second round, and we will have that next year) and our defense can be above average. When in the next 100 years are we ever going to be in a position where we can actually draft the clear cut best receiver in the draft?

Next year we'll most likely have a QB need all over gain. We'll have O line needs. This is probably the only time we can actually acquire a guy like this, and it makes sense to do it.

You need to understand that with the needs of this team....with having 2 up and coming young WR's....we WILL NOT draft a WR with the #1 overall pick. Not a single chance in hell.

[PantherFanForLife]

You need to understand that with the needs of this team....with having 2 up and coming young WR's....we WILL NOT draft a WR with the #1 overall pick. Not a single chance in hell.

I think it's pretty obvious that I do understand that. I just also understand that the moves we're about to make aren't going to turn us into an attacking, aggressive offense.

Our offense will be slightly improved with the right coaching, but overall not much will change, and we will be doing our best to play ball control offense, limiting mistakes, protecting leads and doing our best to try to squeeze a win by a very small margin, 3 points for most of the entire season. If there is a season.

Jaws is right.

[communist]

DT may be a need but you can plug that hole on defense in FA, or wait until next year(you can find a good DT even in the second round, and we will have that next year) and our defense can be above average. When in the next 100 years are we ever going to be in a position where we can actually draft the clear cut best receiver in the draft?

what about the best CB-talent of the last "dont know how many" years?

your hole at DT is way too big to wait another year. you have to acquire AT LEAST one DT this year...but yes, you can wait til the 3rd round with that. and FA is an additional possibility (i would use both).

Next year we'll most likely have a QB need all over gain. We'll have O line needs. This is probably the only time we can actually acquire a guy like this, and it makes sense to do it.

you can try to acquire a nfl-experiences WR through FA...i heard a lot of things about crabtree two years ago. dont forget, it's still a rookie and you have enough youngsters at WR.

[PantherFanForLife]

what about the best CB-talent of the last "dont know how many" years?

your hole at DT is way too big to wait another year. you have to acquire AT LEAST one DT this year...but yes, you can wait til the 3rd round with that. and FA is an additional possibility (i would use both).

you can try to acquire a nfl-experiences WR through FA...i heard a lot of things about crabtree two years ago. dont forget, it's still a rookie and you have enough youngsters at WR.

Really? Why because if we draft Fairly, and keep this same Offense we're going to be going to the Superbowl next year? We have to have that DT now?

What's Fairly going to do, keep every team in the NFL to under 10 points?

[mav1234]

Really? Why because if we draft Fairly, and keep this same Offense we're going to be going to the Superbowl next year? We have to have that DT now?

What's Fairly going to do, keep every team in the NFL to under 10 points?

"Really? Why because if we draft Green, and keep this same Defense we're going to go to the Superbowl next year? We have to draft WR now?

What's Green going to do, keep every offense in the league under X # of points?"

seriously, DT is a major need. CB is a pretty big need if we can't keep Marshall. WR is a huge need if Smitty is leaving but a "depth need" if not.

[PantherFanForLife]

"Really? Why because if we draft Green, and keep this same Defense we're going to go to the Superbowl next year? We have to draft WR now?

What's Green going to do, keep every offense in the league under X # of points?"

seriously, DT is a major need. CB is a pretty big need if we can't keep Marshall. WR is a huge need if Smitty is leaving but a "depth need" if not.

Actually yes I can see Green being able to double our touchdown numbers in the red zone.

[mav1234]

Actually yes I can see Green being able to double our touchdown numbers in the red zone.

so we'd go from 8 TDs all season to 16 TDs? Yipee. =|

I mean, I'd love to have him if it was a "have him or not" question, but it's not that simple. Lots of variables, lots of positions with much, much greater need, and potentially the same value for the pick.

AJ Green may be the best WR in this class but it's not like his talent level hasn't been seen in decades or something.

[communist]

Really? Why because if we draft Fairly, and keep this same Offense we're going to be going to the Superbowl next year? We have to have that DT now?

What's Fairly going to do, keep every team in the NFL to under 10 points?

ok, my english seems to be too bad...i didnt say that you have to pick a dt, in particular fairley, with your first-rounder...i've only stated that you have to react to your dt-problem. both DT-spots were a HUGE weakness last season...you win and lose a game at the LOS and not at WR or somewhere else.

what a good DT is going to do? he will create pressure on the o-line and the players behind it, e.g. the QB. your formidable pass-rush will be an additional help here, your LB-corps either.

if you add a shutdown-corner, you will have a nice defense within a season...suh and mccoy made a huge impact on their teams.

[PantherFanForLife]

so we'd go from 8 TDs all season to 16 TDs? Yipee. =|

I mean, I'd love to have him if it was a "have him or not" question, but it's not that simple. Lots of variables, lots of positions with much, much greater need, and potentially the same value for the pick.

AJ Green may be the best WR in this class but it's not like his talent level hasn't been seen in decades or something.

No but he's talent level has not been seen on the Panthers franchise. Actually, never.

And don't say Smith. Apples and oranges.

[CRA]

Really? Why because if we draft Fairly, and keep this same Offense we're going to be going to the Superbowl next year? We have to have that DT now?

What's Fairly going to do, keep every team in the NFL to under 10 points?

if Clausen isn't the QB and with Chud......it won't be the same offense as of 2010. I think you underestimate how HUGE those two spots are and how big of an impact they have on other players and the team as a whole.

Very few 2 win teams have the talent Carolina did last year. Still shocked Fox got a job.

[mountainpantherfan]

The 2010 Carolina Panthers ended the season with a record of 2-14. The offense sucked. The defense sucked. Special teams sucked. The coaching staff sucked.

If a team goes 2-14, they have more problems than just QB. Nobody here watch football? The 2000 Ravens and 2002 Bucs won Super Bowls with 11 guys on offense and a great defense. What we saw in 2010 from the Carolina Panthers was nothing close to a great defense. It wasn't a good defense. Even saying they were an average defense might be too nice. The defense had one game where they put together an entire game, the agaisnt the Cards. Other than that, there wasn't one game where the defense should have felt even a little proud of.

I'm not saying this trying to excuse Jimmy Clausen or the passing game. They were just as much a part of the problem. As was the offensive line and running game.

This team sucked, people. There isn't one faset that doesn't need to be addressed.

I said this in another thread, 12 of 22 starters need to be replaced within the next 2 offseasons. And really the only starters that should feel safe are Kalil and Beason. Stewart is technically a backup but should also feel safe about being a starter.

[CRA]

The 2010 Carolina Panthers ended the season with a record of 2-14. The offense sucked. The defense sucked. Special teams sucked. The coaching staff sucked.

If a team goes 2-14, they have more problems than just QB. Nobody here watch football? The 2000 Ravens and 2002 Bucs won Super Bowls with 11 guys on offense and a great defense. What we saw in 2010 from the Carolina Panthers was nothing close to a great defense. It wasn't a good defense. Even saying they were an average defense might be too nice. The defense had one game where they put together an entire game, the agaisnt the Cards. Other than that, there wasn't one game where the defense should have felt even a little proud of.

I'm not saying this trying to excuse Jimmy Clausen or the passing game. They were just as much a part of the problem. As was the offensive line and running game.

This team sucked, people. There isn't one faset that doesn't need to be addressed.

I said this in another thread, 12 of 22 starters need to be replaced within the next 2 offseasons. And really the only starters that should feel safe are Kalil and Beason. Stewart is technically a backup but should also feel safe about being a starter.

Chicago? Cincy? NY? Defense played well in several games putting the team in position to win games.....and in big fashion. Didn't matter how hard they played the offense screwed it up and there work went unnoticed. When they made big plays....there thanks was going right back on the field w/ no points. They did some really good stuff(especially considering that talent they had at DT)....and a remotely functional offense would have given us some more wins.....and some nice ones at that. They weren't great but they were far from sucking.

[bleys]

"Really? Why because if we draft Green, and keep this same Defense we're going to go to the Superbowl next year? We have to draft WR now?

What's Green going to do, keep every offense in the league under X # of points?"

seriously, DT is a major need. CB is a pretty big need if we can't keep Marshall. WR is a huge need if Smitty is leaving but a "depth need" if not.

that doesn't prove Green isn't a good pick.. that just means whether through the draft or FA, we have holes to fill...

regardless of you're preference.. just sayin.

[bleys]

The 2010 Carolina Panthers ended the season with a record of 2-14. The offense sucked. The defense sucked. Special teams sucked. The coaching staff sucked.

If a team goes 2-14, they have more problems than just QB. Nobody here watch football? The 2000 Ravens and 2002 Bucs won Super Bowls with 11 guys on offense and a great defense. What we saw in 2010 from the Carolina Panthers was nothing close to a great defense. It wasn't a good defense. Even saying they were an average defense might be too nice. The defense had one game where they put together an entire game, the agaisnt the Cards. Other than that, there wasn't one game where the defense should have felt even a little proud of.

I'm not saying this trying to excuse Jimmy Clausen or the passing game. They were just as much a part of the problem. As was the offensive line and running game.

This team sucked, people. There isn't one faset that doesn't need to be addressed.

I said this in another thread, 12 of 22 starters need to be replaced within the next 2 offseasons. And really the only starters that should feel safe are Kalil and Beason. Stewart is technically a backup but should also feel safe about being a starter.

if that's you're opinion, that's cool.. but really if we had a better coaching staff and a solid QB (Orton-like), we would have been extremely competitive, in MY opinion.. and there are several reasons I can point to for that..

this team isn't in shambles... and like I mentioned somewhere on this forum, if all we did was improve the QB position this year and didn't have any draft picks, we'll jump to a 7-9 team easily..

now bring in 2 FA's through FA (one high tier, one lower tier) and draft a DT in the 3rd.. and draft Peterson. Then DT and CB are fixed..

OR

and this people may disagree with, but IMO Rivera will do just fine to get the most out of this.. but bring back Marshall, put him and Gamble more on bump and run, bring in 2 FA DTs like mentioned above, draft one in the 3rd.. and draft Green..

and we are set.. we'll use next off season to improve any position on top of it..

both scenario's will drastically improve our team.. really, I think the latter would be the best move. we can bring in a better CB next year if needed. but I think we'll do just fine with Marshall, Gamble, Munnerlyn for another year... but this is dependent on Marshall's asking price..

those are just scenario's.. I think talking about it this way will make more sense to people..