With this coaching staff...how many game would have we won last year?

[theyhateme45]

certainly you missed "let's run on 1st and 2nd even without success.. and let Jimmaay throw it on 3rd and 8".. multiple times..

we didn't run that many screens.. we didn't run that many short routes... I disagree with your assessment.. but that's just my opinion.

I was only lucky enough to have 3 games on TiVo to watch back and breakdown after losses...

If you go back to NFL.com and look at plays you will see that we did more than just run run pass.... But it doesn;t matter because no matter the combination it usually ended with 3 and out. Rather it was pass pass run, run run pass, run run run, pass pass pass, none of it worked. We just did not have a developed enough QB to run a respectable offense last year.

The times we could move the ball a little better was when the run run run was working. It allowed us to open up our offense a little. A good team can used either the run or the pass to open the other up... Our team was never able to get a consistent pass offense going to open the run.

From watching the games back I don't think Jimmy has to be terrible. First he just needs improved pocket presence. That is the key to opening up and developing other parts of his game... Avoiding pressure while not panicking and keeping his eyes downfield to make plays.... and quicker decision making.

[bleys]

Coaches don't win games for you. They can factor in to it, sure, but it's about the players. I know you blame Fox a lot for last season, LP, but you need to wake up and smell the coffee. Jimmy and Matt were awful last season and it wouldn't have mattered who was calling the shots or coaching them.

there's no chance in hell this post as is could be true

uh, yeah.. coaches play a huge part in winning games in the NFL.. this isn't high school and college.. talent alone doesn't win games...

I was only lucky enough to have 3 games on TiVo to watch back and breakdown after losses...

If you go back to NFL.com and look at plays you will see that we did more than just run run pass.... But it doesn;t matter because no matter the combination it usually ended with 3 and out. Rather it was pass pass run, run run pass, run run run, pass pass pass, none of it worked. We just did not have a developed enough QB to run a respectable offense last year.

The times we could move the ball a little better was when the run run run was working. It allowed us to open up our offense a little. A good team can used either the run or the pass to open the other up... Our team was never able to get a consistent pass offense going to open the run.

From watching the games back I don't think Jimmy has to be terrible. First he just needs improved pocket presence. That is the key to opening up and developing other parts of his game... Avoiding pressure while not panicking and keeping his eyes downfield to make plays.... and quicker decision making.

we called a lot of plays that required time for routes to develop. we did this even in '09, esp the Eagles game, where our coaching staff failed to adapt to the defense...

we ran very little screens this year, we ran very little short passing routes.. when you have a rookie QB, there are passing plays to take advantage of your RBs and TEs and we did none of that..

we could go deep into this, but let's just keep it simple.. our ROOKIE QB didn't get any help from play calling..

that doesn't imply he'll be great, but that does mean Matt Moore, who had success in the past, failed just as hard as Clausen... I give them both a mulligan. and yet, neither are implied to be great..

[Big Ed]

This coaching staff will breath fresh air into players that have gotten use to the same old same old each season.

What few Vets are left.

But for all of the very young players that make up the majority of the Panthers .

This coaching staff offers teaching ,Coaches that are young and starting a new journey that only they can affect the outcome .

So more wins ,Yes its not hard to win more than 2

But more wins based on the New Attitude

More wins from coaches that will feel secure in their jobs and can work more freely

Foxes coaches last season knew Fox was on his way out and knew they more than likely were to

How do you do your job 100%

When your not sure of tommorow

These new coaches have 2-3 seasons to prove themself before someone starts looking to make changes

[monstercat]

yeah.. when your offensive coordinator doesn't comprehend how to set your ROOKIE QB up for success rather than failure than your coaches are assholes.. and when your coaches do NOTHING to adjust, they are assholes. coaches have a LOT to do with winning.

No injuries hurt the team last year.. only after the season was long over did we start stacking players on IR. Otah was the only legitimate injury that occurred which had an impact.. if you look at the Steelers OLine, it's been decimated beyond belief and they are still in the big game..

Steeler's OLine has been beyond DECIMATED.. and you can't expect your QBs to run around every single play and make it to the Superbowl.. which they don't do on every play.

and after last year, our coaches only have to show they have a little intelligence and we're going to win a few more games than last year.. Rivera and everyone may not have proven anything yet, but Fox and company sure as hell proved last year they didn't know the first thing to adapt to last years woes..

Has it ever occured to you that the Steelers had better O-line depth than us? Remember, Fox lost his most reliable back ups before the season even started, and that goes for several positions. Also, everybody is assuming that it was Fox's decision to start JC...I'm not so sure that's the case. In fact, you can make a pretty good case, based on his PC comments, that JR forced Fox to play all of those rookies, and it blew up in his face.

Whatever though. Nobody can judge the new staff until they put a product on the field, but they will have the advantage of having those young guys who now have a year of experience under their belts, unlike Fox.

[bleys]

Has it ever occured to you that the Steelers had better O-line depth than us? Remember, Fox lost his most reliable back ups before the season even started, and that goes for several positions. Also, everybody is assuming that it was Fox's decision to start JC...I'm not so sure that's the case. In fact, you can make a pretty good case, based on his PC comments, that JR forced Fox to play all of those rookies, and it blew up in his face.

Whatever though. Nobody can judge the new staff until they put a product on the field, but they will have the advantage of having those young guys who now have a year of experience under their belts, unlike Fox.

you can more likely assume Fox's comments were about the entire team in general. he didn't have his vets, and JR made it known in the presser that was a huge issue with Foxy..

Steelers only had 1 starter towards the end of the year and 2 starters in Flozell Adams most of the year.. and then even the backups were getting injured throughout the season.. Fox would have crumbled regardless, and we've seen that. he doesn't adapt to his surroundings.

and you're right, no one can judge this coaching staff.. and they do have an advantage of having younger players with a year of experience.. it's a good thing JR put Fox in a corner because that would have never happened. Fox would have lost a lot of games with his vets instead..

there is no denying that last year Fox could not adapt his game plan around his players..

[monstercat]

you can more likely assume Fox's comments were about the entire team in general. he didn't have his vets, and JR made it known in the presser that was a huge issue with Foxy..

Steelers only had 1 starter towards the end of the year and 2 starters in Flozell Adams most of the year.. and then even the backups were getting injured throughout the season.. Fox would have crumbled regardless, and we've seen that. he doesn't adapt to his surroundings.

and you're right, no one can judge this coaching staff.. and they do have an advantage of having younger players with a year of experience.. it's a good thing JR put Fox in a corner because that would have never happened. Fox would have lost a lot of games with his vets instead..

there is no denying that last year Fox could not adapt his game plan around his players..

I would say that it's a pretty big reach to assume that Fox would have lost just as many games with his veteran players, since it has never happened before. His worst season before last year was 7-9 and that was with horrible QB play.

I agree that it was time for Fox to go, but he was not such a horrible coach as people are making him out to be. He was definitely better than Wade Phillips, who somebody compared him to earlier in this thread.

[Happy Panther]

Probably around 2 games

[ncbobcat]

If all things are considered equal and the only x-factor is the new staff, 2 or 3 more wins max. This team had a albatross around it's neck and when luck isn't on your side, it's hard to reverse fortune. Coaching alone would only have made a slight difference. We'd still have a top 10 draft pick.

[Punisher]

Can this coaching staff really turn Clausen into Big Ben? *Listens to the opinions of the board.*

Amen Jesus! We would be in the Superbowl!!!!!11!!

[bleys]

Can this coaching staff really turn Clausen into Big Ben? *Listens to the opinions of the board.*

Amen Jesus! We would be in the Superbowl!!!!!11!!

[theyhateme45]

I would say that it's a pretty big reach to assume that Fox would have lost just as many games with his veteran players, since it has never happened before. His worst season before last year was 7-9 and that was with horrible QB play.

I agree that it was time for Fox to go, but he was not such a horrible coach as people are making him out to be. He was definitely better than Wade Phillips, who somebody compared him to earlier in this thread.

You must have forgotten! In all cities, and all fan bases with a losing record the problem is always the head coach. The fans always knows more about coaching, and could do a better job. They know what's going on in the locker room and rather the player are playing hard for the coach or still respects him...

And if other coaches, peers, organizations think the coach is still respectable then they are all dummies who knows less than us!!!! Because we the mighty fan knows all!!!

Yes the grass is always greener on the other side.... That's why team have hired new coaches that inject promise and new life into a franchise and a couple seasons later they are on their way out being blamed for the teams problems just like the previous coaching staff because they can't coach either. And this happens time and time again... teams going through multiple coaching staffs.

It's never about the talent on the field, the players failure to execute the gameplan, or inability to read or make plays on the field. Nope just the coaching staff.

I just wonder why in the NFL the teams with lack luster QB play are always the ones with horrible coaching, and the ones with good QB play are usually the good coaching staffs??? It's a wonder.

[monstercat]

LOL, the one that really irks me though, is this notion that a good QB coach can turn any old scrub into a pro bowler. People need to start realizing that you have to have the talent first, then the coaching can make him better, but Vince Lombardi himself, couldn't build a QB from scrap parts.

[Happy Panther]

Also people don't understand how much the coaching staff did build plays around Clausen

[TylerVagyler]

I think we would've won 3 games (maybe 4). And the other wins would've came against the 2 NFC West teams we lost against.