Jump to content

  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

So let me get this straight, you guys hate Clausen and Edwards yet...

thunderraiden

By thunderraiden,
in Carolina Panthers

Recommended Posts

monstercat Newbie

monstercat

Posted
Posted

That's my point they can never compare Cam to a successful (preferably black)QB. Cause they have Jamarcus stuck in their head.

Gotcha.

Anyway, I think he compares to Randall Cunningham pretty well. You can go back and watch his NFL highlights, and he was doing some of the same things I saw Cam do in college.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
jtnc Newbie

jtnc

Posted
Posted

Gotcha.

Anyway, I think he compares to Randall Cunningham pretty well. You can go back and watch his NFL highlights, and he was doing some of the same things I saw Cam do in college.

I definitely see the similarities between Cunningham and Newton.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
mountainpantherfan Newbie

mountainpantherfan

Posted
Posted

I think the best comparrison to what we see in Newton right now as a college player would be to Steve Young in 1984. Young had all of the physical tools to be a great QB and had the added athleticism to run as well.

The LA Express (of the USFL) and the Tampa Bay Bucs both tried to make him into an automatic starter from day one. Eventually it took a coach willing to develope him in Walsh for Young to become the HOF he became.

I think Newton has the tools but he isn't ready yet and needs to be developed. That isn't a bad thing, though. I don't have a problem with giving Clausen and Edwards time to develope and I don't have a problem with giving Newton the time to develope either if he is the pick.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
monstercat Newbie

monstercat

Posted
Posted

I think the best comparrison to what we see in Newton right now as a college player would be to Steve Young in 1984. Young had all of the physical tools to be a great QB and had the added athleticism to run as well.

The LA Express (of the USFL) and the Tampa Bay Bucs both tried to make him into an automatic starter from day one. Eventually it took a coach willing to develope him in Walsh for Young to become the HOF he became.

I think Newton has the tools but he isn't ready yet and needs to be developed. That isn't a bad thing, though. I don't have a problem with giving Clausen and Edwards time to develope and I don't have a problem with giving Newton the time to develope either if he is the pick.

I agree. I'm tired of hearing about how we need an immediate impact player. For what? So we can win 5-6 games instead of 2? It's not like our offense is going to be so much better in 2011 that a Nick Fairly is going to put us over the top and make us champions of the world.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
CRA Grand Master

CRA

Posted
Posted

I agree. I'm tired of hearing about how we need an immediate impact player. For what? So we can win 5-6 games instead of 2? It's not like our offense is going to be so much better in 2011 that a Nick Fairly is going to put us over the top and make us champions of the world.

decent QB play will make this a .500 ish ball club overnight. Rivera ain't a lameduck and will be allowed the normal moves Fox was denied this past year.

Carolina won 2 games last year.....doesn't mean they had the talent of a 1-2 team. Most teams that suck that bad don't have the OL talent, RB talent, defensive talent etc. that Carolina had. As long as Carolina is healthy......all they need is average QB play and they can get to .500 year one of the Rivera era.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
mountainpantherfan Newbie

mountainpantherfan

Posted
Posted

decent QB play will make this a .500 ish ball club overnight. Rivera ain't a lameduck and will be allowed the normal moves Fox was denied this past year.

Carolina won 2 games last year.....doesn't mean they had the talent of a 1-2 team. Most teams that suck that bad don't have the OL talent, RB talent, defensive talent etc. that Carolina had. As long as Carolina is healthy......all they need is average QB play and they can get to .500 year one of the Rivera era.

I'm taking that what you said means that you would not want to draft Newton and let him develope and instead find a QB that will be "decent" and thus get the team to a .500ish record next year.

So my question to you would be, you are willing to sacrafice the potentiel of having a great QB who in 3 years could possibly make the team to a SB contender for a 7-9 season next year?

I'm actually not on the Cam Newton bandwagon yet. Might not ever be. But I do believe Panther fans need to stop thinking about just the 2011 or even 2012 seasons and start thinking more long term. Same logic needs to be applied to the situations revolving around Steve Smith and DeAngelo Williams. What's best for the long term success of the team and ultimently winning a Super Bowl?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing

  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Waldo
      Clowney released

      By Waldo · Posted

      Even limited as he was I still don't think they have replaced his production, and not just the sack stats. The games Clowney missed it was very obvious what his value still was. Risky move but whatever. They only had 32 sacks last year and if that drops then it's going to get ugly. I see the improvement in run stopping but not in pass protect in any way.  
    • pantherclaw
      Houston Texans... You Suck!!!

      By pantherclaw · Posted

      I have zero issues with this.  
    • MHS831
      Panthers start making cuts to roster

      By MHS831 · Posted

      Sorta related.  I just looked up a stat:  Success rates for NFL draft's second rounders.  I was surprised that it is 49%.  The success rate for first rounders is 58%.   Here success does not mean those that did not bust, it means that roughly half of the players selected in the second round become full-time starters at some point in their careers.  Busts do that too.  However, considering the fact that a first round talent is worth up to 1800 points (first overall pick) more than the first pick of the second round and as low as 350 points (last pick in first round) higher than the last pick in round 2, it seems there could be cases in which it would be to your advantage to trade out of round 1 and draft two or three second rounders for the value.  Of course, the elite players are likely to be gone, and some positions overwhelmingly suck after round 1 (traditionally, like QB or LT, for example), but if you need to find starters at positions like DT, G, LB, S, C, TE, RB, etc, there could be a time when you trade back for more starters.  I was surprised that the margin between rounds 1 and 2 was only 9%.    While I realize that some of you sofa scholars are thinking, "Well duh?  Trading back gives you more players." as you wipe the Cheetos off your shirt.  Not the point.  The point is you have to consider the draft,the needs (and the number of them), and you need to scout the second and third rounds like you do the first, the cap, and the long-term impact.  If you can find 2 players with a 49% chance of becoming a starter, are you better off than drafting one player who has a 58% chance in the long term? So if I traded away my first rounder for two second rounders (a trade most teams would make) regularly, when I got 10 second rounders (by trading 5 first rounders), 5 would be starters.  If I did not trade and kept my 5 first rounders, 3 would be starters.  Furthermore, their rookie contracts would be much cheaper than the 5 first rounders. 
×
×
  • Create New...