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all due respect, what pocket?

a pocket never can form if a QB ain't willing to let bodies fly around him.....in addition to taking punishment the QB has to make teams pay for bringing the bodies. Jimmy just encouraged teams to keep it up.

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a pocket never can form if a QB ain't willing to let bodies fly around him.....in addition to taking punishment the QB has to make teams pay for bringing the bodies. Jimmy just encouraged teams to keep it up.

That is one way to look at it. Another way is that he was a rookie thrown into an about as terrible situation as one could imagine early in the season.

I can't subscribe to a rookie QB being the reason why the patchwork o-line could not pass-block. At this level it cannot be his fault. Especially knowing that this same o-line could not run block either.

Was he skiddish and quick to check down or check to scramble, sure, but I did not see him have a whole hell of a lot of other options most of the time. I also saw him make some pretty nice plays on the rare occasion he was given a chance run through progressions.

He's got talent. There simply is no denying that. I think in the end he looked like junk do to the circumstances but I don't know of any other 2nd round talent in history who could have done better in the same situation.

I hate to be making excuses for him as I know it looks like I am defending the guy to the death or something but most of the time he made the right play. I think he protected the ball to a fault but given his experience level and highly probable lack of faith or confidence in what was around him I can't blame just him. He was no worse than most of the O all year last year, he just looked worse because he had the ball. The guy is not a scrambler and everyone should have known that.

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That is one way to look at it. Another way is that he was a rookie thrown into an about as terrible situation as one could imagine early in the season.

I can't subscribe to a rookie QB being the reason why the patchwork o-line could not pass-block. At this level it cannot be his fault. Especially knowing that this same o-line could not run block either.

Was he skiddish and quick to check down or check to scramble, sure, but I did not see him have a whole hell of a lot of other options most of the time. I also saw him make some pretty nice plays on the rare occasion he was given a chance run through progressions.

He's got talent. There simply is no denying that. I think in the end he looked like junk do to the circumstances and I don't know of any other 2nd round talent in history who could have done better in the same situation.

I hate to be making excuses for him as I know it looks like I am defending the guy to the death or something but most of the time he made the right play. I think he protected the ball to a fault but given his experience level and highly probable lack of faith or confidence in what was around him I can't blame just him. He was no worse than most of the O all year last year, he just looked worse because he had the ball. The guy is not a scrambler and everyone should have known that.

I think the "terrible situation" has been drastically overblown simply b/c of how bad the offense looked. Situation wasn't nearly bad as people try to act like it was........and Matt Moore throwing a couple bad balls and hardly playing isn't proof of anything.

Good D, good ground game, elite WR to throw to....and a HC who has a system where he can allow average at best QBs to find success.

Jimmy has never liked staying in the pocket ( and that is required for Fox's offense to function/work) and Jimmy ignored the best WR on the field. It is amazing what the ground game was able to do considering how horrific Clausen made the passing offense and how teams adjusted to that.

HORRIBLE QB play makes OLs look MUCH worse than they are in reality. Jimmy was horrible......and that was horrible QB for a drafted rookie in any conditions.

I mean, watch several Atl games with Ryan...he often saw comparable pressure in the pocket. Difference is how he reacted to it vs. Jimmy......Jimmy didn't make plays and encouraged teams to keep it up. I think Jimmy has a great work ethic.....I think his talent has always been average at best. It is more obvious how really limited he is the farther he goes in his career. Working hard isn't going to really do that much for him ( he lacks most of the physical abilities and aspects you look for in a QB at this level).

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Jimmy looked terrible when he had time and space. NFL QBs should look great when the have time and space and should make things happen when the pocket is collapsing, blitz is coming or the play breaks down. He did none of that despite being described as the most NFL ready QB in the draft.

Not Foxy's fault.

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Jimmy had a bad year. There is no way to spin that his year was anything but bad. It will be up to him to prove that it was or was not a good indication of how he will play as an experienced pro.

But there is also no way to spin that the offense was good without him. The starting offense he inherited, at near full strength, could not score a single touchdown the entire pre-season (!!) We made lots of excuses for these guys back then until it carried over to the regular season. No one was playing lights out. Including Smith who dropped plenty of passes from Clausen right in his hands.

The point is that there is a lot of blame to go around. Rather than conclude on Clausen or anyone else on the team it will be more fun to just wait a few more weeks and see for ourselves.

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Jimmy looked terrible when he had time and space. NFL QBs should look great when the have time and space and should make things happen when the pocket is collapsing, blitz is coming or the play breaks down. He did none of that despite being described as the most NFL ready QB in the draft.

Not Foxy's fault.

A lot of times Jimmy didn't even read the defense. And when he did he'd still get sacked.

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Jimmy might suck, but he's on the team for now. If you don't want to pull for him, you don't have to, but you should pull for the Panthers putting the best player on the field. If that happens to be Jimmy, well, I hope he's learned a lot since last year.

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Jimmy might suck, but he's on the team for now. If you don't want to pull for him, you don't have to, but you should pull for the Panthers putting the best player on the field. If that happens to be Jimmy, well, I hope he's learned a lot since last year.

I'll be the first guy in line for a Clausen Jersey if he starts winning.

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