What is our best short term option at qb?

[KillerKat]

You guys should check out the Eagles RB stats and McNabbs own rushing stats before calling him a WCO QB. The Eagles offense was balanced. Westbrook, before he was hurt the last couple years, was over normally over 600-800 yards and had a couple 1,000 yard seasons and 1 over 900. Then you had the rushing threat of McNabb.

The Eagles were not a WCO team and still aren't. Michael Vick sure wasn't an WCO QB before he got to Philly and he sure isn't right now. They just have a well balanced system that makes it easier for QBs to excel. Which is what we're trying to accomplish.

[Ivan The Awesome]

Matt Leinart. He's our Savior.

[edromeo]

McNabb isn't a short term option, he's a multi-year commitment.

[antame]

Matt Leinart. He's our Savior.

Haha! Nice.

Throw Cam in there day 1. He'll be fine.

[edromeo]

I dont understand why people say McNabb wouldnt fit here cause he's a system QB. Well, how the hell does Cam fit here if you think that? McNabb and Newton are very similar.....He still has a couple more good years left in him and will succeed if he goes to a good team. Regardless the system.

The entire offensive staff and more or less the entire organization should be focused on developing Cam Newton.

The focus from day 1 will be building an offense tailored to Cam design from Chudsinski's playbook.

McNabb and Cam are similar but Cam doesn't need to learn how to be a playmaker.

Cam needs to learn how to execute Chudsinski's offense and a QB from outside the system won't be able to help Cam nearly as much as a QB from the same system.

[KillerKat]

The Chudzinski offense is a well balanced one. The Chargers offense is very well balanced and when Chud was OC in Cleveland it was very well balanced. The Eagles are a balanced offense. There would be very little difference if any at all.

[edromeo]

You guys should check out the Eagles RB stats and McNabbs own rushing stats before calling him a WCO QB. The Eagles offense was balanced. Westbrook, before he was hurt the last couple years, was over normally over 600-800 yards and had a couple 1,000 yard seasons and 1 over 900. Then you had the rushing threat of McNabb.

The Eagles were not a WCO team and still aren't. Michael Vick sure wasn't an WCO QB before he got to Philly and he sure isn't right now. They just have a well balanced system that makes it easier for QBs to excel. Which is what we're trying to accomplish.

I'm not trying to be contentious, but the Eagles are a WCO and McNabb spent his entire career save for 1 season in that offense.

That's really isn't open for debate its a fact.

Andy Reid uses WCO terminology and is a direct apple from Holmgren/Walsh coaching tree.

The Eagles are a WCO team.

BTW-Its neither here/nor because being pass happy has little bearing on wether a coach is WCO or not but Andy Reid throughout his career has been one of the most pass happy coaches in the NFL.

Since 2008 he passed 64% of the time.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/06/09/fantasy-head-coach-offensive-coordinator-trends/

[TylerVagyler]

Speaking of the Eagles....

Looks like we have some competition for Brett...

[KillerKat]

in 2008 Westbrook had over 900 yards rushing. Buckhalter had over 350, bringing them over 1,000. In 09 Westbrook was hurt but combining their other 2 RBs, had over 1,000. Last year McCoy had over 1,000 and Vick had over 650. And the 2 years before 2008 Westbrook was over 1,000 twice. They may pass a lot but they also are productive in the running game. A well balanced offense.

[edromeo]

The Chudzinski offense is a well balanced one. The Chargers offense is very well balanced and when Chud was OC in Cleveland it was very well balanced. The Eagles are a balanced offense. There would be very little difference if any at all.

Wether an offense is balanced or not does not determine what type of system they run.

Within any given offensive system a playcaller can be pass heavy or run heavy or balanced.

The terminology and the coaching tree of the playcaller/offensive coordinator determines the system.

Rob Chudzinski runs Norv Turner's variant of the Coryell system.

Here's a litte primer and some good articles about Chudz and the Coryell offense:Offense

http://www.derp/2011/2/5/1975521/so-what-will-the-offense-look-like-in-2011-part-one

Chudz

http://www.derp/2011/6/1/2200621/getting-to-brass-tacks-what-will-be-the-differences-in-chudzinskis

[edromeo]

in 2008 Westbrook had over 900 yards rushing. Buckhalter had over 350, bringing them over 1,000. In 09 Westbrook was hurt but combining their other 2 RBs, had over 1,000. Last year McCoy had over 1,000 and Vick had over 650. And the 2 years before 2008 Westbrook was over 1,000 twice. They may pass a lot but they also are productive in the running game. A well balanced offense.

A balanced offense is measured in attempts not yards.

Number of total pass attempts vs number of total rushing attempts.

Andy Ried is not now and has never been a balanced playcaller i.e. pass/run ratio near 50/50.

Its pretty much common knowledge that Reid is not a balanced playcaller.

Reid and offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg, his partner in play-calling, dialed up pass plays 65.8 percent and run plays 34.2 percent of the time. In the Eagles' 10 wins, the ratio was more even -- 62.1 to 37.9. In their losses it was more uneven -- 72.9 to 27.1."

But, this is really besides the point b/c Andy Reid and the Eagles being a WCO has nothing to do with his pass run ratio.

Mike Shanahan comes from the same WCO coaching tree, and Shanahan's career pass/run ratio is 51/49 that's a balanced playcaller and they're from the same system.

[antame]

Put Cam in there day 1. He'll be fine.

[KillerKat]

You make it way more complicated than what it is. Just like everyone else. McNabb is a good QB despite what system it is. Good QBs will succeed on good teams. He isn't a pure system QB like Anderson who has sucked his entire career besides that 1 year Chud was his coordinator. You wouldn't want Petyon Manning if he said he wanted to play in Carolina and would take a big paycut to play here just because he is from another system?

[edromeo]

You make it way more complicated than what it is. Just like everyone else. McNabb is a good QB despite what system it is. Good QBs will succeed on good teams. He isn't a pure system QB like Anderson who has sucked his entire career besides that 1 year Chud was his coordinator. You wouldn't want Petyon Manning if he said he wanted to play in Carolina and would take a big paycut to play here just because he is from another system?

I know McNabb is a good QB, never said he wasn't.

The only thing I said about McNabb is he's not a short term option.

He's a multi-year option and I doubt he wants to be on a rebuilding team again after last year.

My point is that this organization should be focused on developing Cam Newton.

The focus from day 1 will be building an offense tailored to Cam design from Chudsinski's playbook.

Cam needs to learn how to execute Chudsinski's offense and a QB from outside the system won't be able to help Cam nearly as much as a QB from the same system.