Folks, we have to discuss this. (we really do)

[MaineManPanther]

I hate to bring this up. I swear. I really do.

I like you guys.

But someone had to do it.

So let's get this over with. Just touch on this subject and get back to our lives.

Look here folks.

These contracts, given by the self described "best cap GM in the NFL," are killing you!

Killing you!

Let's start with Charles Johnson.

I know he had a breakout year in 2011.

And I know you had to keep him away from my Falcons.

But you got duped.

DUPED!!!!

All reports coming out of Atlanta say that the birds were offering 7m/year.

Nowhere close to the 12/yr you gave him.

So, somehow Dimitroff (who I do not think highly of, BTW) and CJ's agent got you good.

No doubt CJ wanted to return home to Atlanta.

But did you really need to give him 5m/year more?

'Ole Chas didn't want to go home that bad.

And now you're stuck with a guy with only one season of success for 6 years/72 million.

Just great.

Moving on.

DeAngelo Williams?

Please.

I know he's done some good things for you in the past.

But he's hit a wall recently, was injured, and is already 28.

And runningbacks are going for peanuts on the open market these days.

Peanuts!

So what does the "smartest cap GM in the NFL" do?

He gives him a 5 year, 43 million dollar contract with 21 guaranteed?

:nono::nono::nono::nono:

Like I said.

I recognize that the panthers didn't have the best season last year.

And were gonna have to pay a premium to get FA's.

But 'ole "DWill" got 2 to 4 times his market value.

These chickens will come home to roost!

I guarantee it.

And on to the line backers.

Beason, I can understand that.

That guy is a playmaker. 10m/yr is fine.

But Thomas Davis at 5 years, 22 million after 2 ACL tears in a year?

James Anderson to the same contract after one okay year?

You better hope Beason can pick up their slack.

And here's the kicker (:D:D:D:D).

Your brilliant "cap genius GM" paid 12 million over 4 years for Olindo Mare?

4 guaranteed?

He of 38 years and the 80% FG rate?

Was your "brilliant GM" trying to keep up with Tampa (Signed punter to 19.5 million deal)?

Folks.

In summary.

You overpaid to keep guys who led you to a 2-14 record last year.

These chickens will come back to roost.

I'm telling you.

Cam Newton better be the future.

Or "Cap Genius Hurney" is cooked

As are you.

However, seeing as how ATL's boneheaded GM "Thomas Dummytroff" has gotten 2 "executive of the year" awards after 0 playoff wins, and a bunch of dumb moves, you may be seeing an EOY award pretty soon.

Charles Johnson led all DE's in combined Qb hits, hurries and sacks.

He also excelled against the run, and led all DE's in defensive stops.

He accomplished this at the age of 25 ,in his first year starting, with no help from rest of the line. While he didn't start until 2010 he was consistenly impressive when he did play in previous years , suggesting this wasn't just out of nowhere.

At such a young age, with such all around talent at a integral and hard to find position he deserved a big payday. He was overpaid, but in a understandable sense, if he continues to play at this level it's worth it.

Davis's contract was specifically structured around his injury. If he does get hurt once again. We won't be hurt by it.

Anderson played very well and is young. While there is a bit assuming, it's not a stretch to believe he can continue to play at this level. It was either pay him, or someone else of less talent.

Mare was overpaid, Williams was as well. But Williams can still be a big asset. His injuries were not severe and there's no reason he can't play at the high level were accustomed to.

Also we both know that just because a team is bad doesn't mean certain players aren't worthy of a payday. You have no problem with Beason being paid, yet was he not part of that 2-12 team?

[Guest Spot On Dtan]

When did I ever say that we're a "team on the rise". My prediction for this season is 5-11.

Also optimistic homerism is something that occurs in every fanbase in the preseason and it didn't merit creating a new word back in 2006 and it sure as poo doesn't merit still using it five years later.

I mean you hate the "Nazi mods" at the AFMB but didn't like BankerBird or one of the other obese gentlemen in charge of moderating that forum coin the term?

I meant the fan base as a whole. You may be a perfectly reasonable person.

Your fellow huddlers are not. "Carologic" is very appropriate here.

And yes I hate the fascists at "falcons life"

But a broken clock is wrong twice a day

[Guest Spot On Dtan]

Charles Johnson led all DE's in combined Qb hits, hurries and sacks.

He also excelled against the run, and led all DE's in defensive stops.

He accomplished this at the age of 25 ,in his first year starting, with no help from rest of the line. While he didn't start until 2010 he was consistenly impressive when he did play in previous years , suggesting this wasn't just out of nowhere.

At such a young age, with such all around talent at a integral and hard to find position he deserved a big payday. He was overpaid, but in a understandable sense, if he continues to play at this level it's worth it.

Davis's contract was specifically structured around his injury. If he does get hurt once again. We won't be hurt by it.

Anderson played very well and is young. While there is a bit assuming, it's not a stretch to believe he can continue to play at this level. It was either pay him, or someone else of less talent.

Mare was overpaid, Williams was as well. But Williams can still be a big asset. His injuries were not severe and there's no reason he can't play at the high level were accustomed to.

Also we both know that just because a team is bad doesn't mean certain players aren't worthy of a payday. You have no problem with Beason being paid, yet was he not part of that 2-12 team?

Stop fighting it.

You know those were ridiculous contracts.

Every last one of them.

You know it!

[MaineManPanther]

Stop fighting it.

You know those were ridiculous contracts.

Every last one of them.

You know it!

No

[SuperMan]

This thread wouldn't be so bad if you weren't so far off base.

CJ wasn't that overpaid as your making it sound, the going market for him was around 10 million per season and that's what it was going to take. Also don't believe everything you hear.

Dwill might be 29, but his injury last year wasn't really an IR injury. Could have came back after 2-3 games. You're also talking about one of the shiftiest and more explosive backs in the NFL.

You must have not paid attention to the TD deal as it's a 5 year deal worth 43 million, but its highly protective of Carolina, as it could end up being a 1 year deal worth 8 million.

Anderson has played well the whole time he's been here, just wasn't a starter.

Mare has been a 84-85% kicker the last 3 years, worth 12 million...IDK, depends on how he performs.

Nothing too crazy, the Panthers spent some money. They also had to spend that money and imo have made the team better. I will say that trading away your franchises future 4 seasons from now for one wr is stupid and gutsy. The only way it's successful is if Atlanta wins a SB this season, other wise that trades a failure.

Williams is 28 and age is not the best corelation to RB success a better figure is when a lead back hits 1,600 career touches (wear and tear)

[pantherfreak]

jeez this guy just doesn't stop. Can he lose pie somehow? Zod, Salt someone take his pie away please.

[top dawg]

I am not gonna hate on the OP because, honestly, I have had some of these same thoughts, although not to the extreme. The contracts seem a lot more than they are, and if the players perform then wonderful. I don't have any reason to think that CJ play will drop off and may get better.Dude is still young. The only thing that will make D-Will's play drop off is injury, but if we can get even 75 percent of the production that we got during his breakout season, then he will be well worth it. Davis has to perform to get paid. If he gets hurt again, then we won't be on the hook for much.

IF I were a Falcons fan, I'd be more concerned about risking the house for an uproven WR (Who-lio) who hasn't done a damned thing in the NFL yet. Unless he turns into a top 10 WR in production, I can hardly see that he was worth what was paid, and in some ways this is worse than the CJ-Williams-Davis contracts put together. Mortgaging your future on a high risk proposition when you could have gotten better value in FA doesn't really make sense on any level IMO.

[chef17]

Olsen: Cut by old team :D who weren't exactly stacked with pass catchers

This is the same guy who said Olsen was cut by his former thread, showing he has no clue what he is talking about.

/thread

[Guest Spot On Dtan]

I am not gonna hate on the OP because, honestly, I have had some of these same thoughts, although not to the extreme. The contracts seem a lot more than they are, and if the players perform then wonderful. I don't have any reason to think that CJ play will drop off and may get better.Dude is still young. The only thing that will make D-Will's play drop off is injury, but if we can get even 75 percent of the production that we got during his breakout season, then he will be well worth it. Davis has to perform to get paid. If he gets hurt again, then we won't be on the hook for much.

IF I were a Falcons fan, I'd be more concerned about risking the house for an uproven WR (Who-lio) who hasn't done a damned thing in the NFL yet. Unless he turns into a top 10 WR in production, I can hardly see that he was worth what was paid, and in some ways this is worse than the CJ-Williams-Davis contracts put together. Mortgaging your future on a high risk proposition when you could have gotten better value in FA doesn't really make sense on any level IMO.

Good to see we're in agreement.

And in response to your second point?

Guess why I was banned from "falcons life".

It had a little something to do with my voicing my displeasure about the Julio Jones trade.

Look at my posts.

I think Atlanta's GM is an idiot too.

[Guest Spot On Dtan]

This is the same guy who said Olsen was cut by his former thread, showing he has no clue what he is talking about.

/thread

Look here.

He was actually traded, but that still proves my point.

If he's the type of TE guys think he is, he wouldn't have been traded at all.

And his contract?

Top TEs make 6-8m/yr.

You gave him 7 over 5.

Stop acting like he's Vernon Davis.

[Guest Spot On Dtan]

Given that Atlanta's defense was pitiful last year and wasn't upgraded this year, I can understand where Falcon fans are mad that we signed our core group and will be a top 10 defense this year. So they take pot shots where they can. Seems to me if Richardson who is writing the check and Hunrey who has to manage the cap aren't worried, then I don't know why a rival team's fan should give a crap. They should be happy we overpaid which prevents us from spending down the road. On the other hand if he is a troll trying to stir things up (my vote), then he is just fishing.

Don't feed the trolls.

Once again.

You base your entire opinion off one game.

We were middle of the league in yards per game.

Top five in points per game.

Heck, we even held GB to 14 earlier in the season.

Be objective.

And don't make uninformed statements.

[SmootsDaddy89]

I meant the fan base as a whole. You may be a perfectly reasonable person.

Your fellow huddlers are not. "Carologic" is very appropriate here.

And yes I hate the fascists at "falcons life"

But a broken clock is wrong twice a day

A broken clock is wrong a hell of a lot more than twice a day.

[Guest Spot On Dtan]

A broken clock is wrong a hell of a lot more than twice a day.

Let's flip the coin.

Have a discussion.

Talk it over

How do you feel about these grotesque signings?

[SmootsDaddy89]

As long as they keep performing I don't really care. D-Will's was the only one I found unnecessary, but I'm over that now.