National Cam haters haven't watch Panthers

[TheRealDeal]

All that bullpoo aside I agree with the 10-15 year plan but I also believe in winning continuously throughout that range of time.

The FO disagrees.

I've been told they are always right.

Winning doesn't matter right now.

[footballisasport]

I'm not blinded by short term "excitement"

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We tell ourselves anything don't we...:crazy:

[teeray]

I am to please.

So should I expect these great results every drive now and be upset if he doesn't deliver?

Yes. Expect these results on every drive. :rolleyes:

I thought you said you say things based in reason and logic. Fail. :nonod:

[teeray]

I'm not blinded by short term "excitement"

Except in 2009 right?

[TheRealDeal]

Well you just said you care about results and not how he gets them, so you don't care if he improves as long as we get points I'm guessing.

So I'm taking your approach and saying fug the future, fug improvement, give me exciting runs noooooooooooooooooow!

I only want results this season, not improvement.

Give me results or give me death.

[teeray]

Well you just said you care about results and not how he gets them, so you don't care if he improves as long as we get points I'm guessing.

So I'm taking your approach and saying fug the future, fug improvement, give me exciting runs noooooooooooooooooow!

I only want results this season, not improvement.

Give me results or give me death.

These two things aren't mutually exclusive :jc:

He can run and improve.

And to answer your question of "so you don't care if he improves as long as we get points I'm guessing?" The short answer is that is correct. If he is scoring points that is the point of the game.

[Guild]

The FO disagrees.

I've been told they are always right.

Winning doesn't matter right now.

Yeah that's nice that the front office is always right. Come the fug on dude.

I don't care what other people said. If you are gonna try to bring up some retarded spin like this you better not do it from what "you've been told" you better do it from directly what I said or what someone we can agree is an expert said because I don't give two poos about these retards who can barely write English on the internet. I do give a poo about you though because your spin is so good it should get you a job at Fox News and I'm waiting to hear the good word on that.

Though I inferred that you clearly don't know poo compared to the people who are involved with professional football as actual members of the organization that doesn't mean they are always right. It only means that to you due to a greatly inflated sense of grandeur. What it really means is that you don't know poo compared to Marty Hurney, Ron Rivera, or any player who is actually playing on the team, etc.

Fun times bud time for a beer.

PS: IMO not caring about winning is retarded. Winning is what you have to do to be world champions. What I expect and what I want are two different things, sorry you can't understand that.

Winning matters

Winning matters

Winning matters

Winning matters

Winning matters

How many matters did I win?

[bleys]

For a guy "jogging" 19 yards, he sure gets up the field in a hurry. Who else does that besides Vick? The percentage of 15+ yard runs for QB's is ver low.

Cam was NOT running hard.. call it what you want.

@ Bleys, But pockets "develop" they don't just show up. He didn't give it any time to develop, which goes back to him being run first. The front 5 held up and Stew came over perfectly.

The pocket was there, Cam rushed it.

Cam has to work on protection. we've established that.

for Cam to let the pocket develop, he would have to trust the OLine to establish the pocket which it hasn't exactly done the last few weeks. if Stew didn't get over in time, we wouldn't even be talking about this..

technically, you are right.. but I think most QBs would have saw those 2 huge holes and hit the ground running under the same circumstance, except for the few Elite veteran QBs.. hell, even then it's not crazy to say they may have taken off too..

[TheRealDeal]

Except in 2009 right?

I had been a fan of his game for longer than that.

His game wasn't very exciting, but he got the job done.

Wins > Excitement

[Guild]

I had been a fan of his game for longer than that.

His game wasn't very exciting, but he got the job done.

Wins > Excitement

Very true but exciting wins > dull wins.

[TheRealDeal]

What it really means is that you don't know poo compared to Marty Hurney, Ron Rivera, or any player who is actually playing on the team, etc.

Assuming players know anything is pretty silly.

Matt Ryan has to tell Roddy White where to line up every play. He just runs routes and makes plays, he's not an intellectual.

Countless other stories like this as well.

[teeray]

I had been a fan of his game for longer than that.

His game wasn't very exciting, but he got the job done.

Wins > Excitement

Wins isn't how you judge a QB remember?? That is why Vince Young is a bust despite his good win loss ratio and Big Ben is overrated.

[TheRealDeal]

Very true but exciting wins > dull wins.

Sure I guess.

[TheRealDeal]

Wins isn't how you judge a QB remember?? That is why Vince Young is a bust despite his good win loss ratio and Big Ben is overrated.

Do you want to go by Moore's numbers during that stretch?

Whatever you want to do: Moore then > Cam now so twist and spin all you want.