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Panthers Scouting Pat White hard

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carpanfan96 Grand Master

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not really. Vick had a cannon. White might be able to make most of the throws, but doesn't have much velocity, doesn't have much accuracy, and doesn't have good fundamentals. He's throwing well without any rush, against air, right now, which is good. If he wants to be a QB, he should push to stay a QB.

He's a project. Him being one of three college QBs that casual fans know doesn't make him any better a player, nor does his name recognition. We can go back and see what Chris Leak's doing if that helps.

According to the reports, his arm strength is there with the other top qb's in this draft. His accuracy was the best among the top 4 qb's in drills and had the best work out of all the qb's. He's a second round pick now and the only reason he isn't a first rounder is because of his size.

Pat White showed off his arm strength and looked better than the other quarterbacks in the drills. Mike Mayock believes White will be drafted in the second round.
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Though it does sound like WV or someone botched this a bit with the communication, I don't really blame White for concentrating more on being a QB, especially as there are far more quality WRs in this draft than QBs. Again, for guys like him who may need a bit more playtime in a pro type offense, possibly having NFLE would be nice. That's one of the worst decisions ever made in the Goodell era.

Whenever people mention QB to WR conversions, I can't help but laugh at Jax for spending a #1 on Jones.

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All these damned casual teams and their casual scouts out there scouting this bum at QB. I heard Pat White holds the ball sideways and can only shotput it 10 yards downfield with the wind at his back. Also, if he can't run, he curls into the fetal position and just lays there sobbing on the ground.

He's never produced for crap at the collegiate level, his stats show he has the accuracy of Stevie Wonder with dust in his eyes and he's never progressed whatsoever as a passer, leader or signal caller.

Definitely a late round guy.

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All these damned casual teams and their casual scouts out there scouting this bum at QB. I heard Pat White holds the ball sideways and can only shotput it 10 yards downfield with the wind at his back. Also, if he can't run, he curls into the fetal position and just lays there sobbing on the ground.

He's never produced for crap at the collegiate level, his stats show he has the accuracy of Stevie Wonder with dust in his eyes and he's never progressed whatsoever as a passer, leader or signal caller.

Definitely a late round guy.

And since we run a spread, shotgun option offense, I can see where he'd be a great fit here.

yay sarcasm! Really beats an actual argument.

No, see teams know there are more than four quarterbacks in this draft. They show up to see White perform because it's their job. They don't fanboy and pretend he's the greatest thing ever.

He has progressed. He's also still a project, and he's nowhere near developed. At his most developed, he's still going to have to become a good from-center, in-the-pocket passer. In pads, against real competition.

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And since we run a spread, shotgun option offense, I can see where he'd be a great fit here.

yay sarcasm! Really beats an actual argument.

No, see teams know there are more than four quarterbacks in this draft. They show up to see White perform because it's their job. They don't fanboy and pretend he's the greatest thing ever.

He has progressed. He's also still a project, and he's nowhere near developed. At his most developed, he's still going to have to become a good from-center, in-the-pocket passer. In pads, against real competition.

The thing is though, you can say that about half the college QB's out there nowadays, since so many teams run the spread offense. Sam Bradford will have to be retrained to run a pro style offense just like White will.

That's not to say that we should draft Pat White, but it's little unfair to single him out for the system he runs.

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single him out? no, I wouldn't say that. But it's another obstacle on a guy who has a lot of obstacles. Being a runner is an obstacle. Taking most of his snaps out of shotgun is an obstacle. These are legitimate factors.

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single him out? no, I wouldn't say that. But it's another obstacle on a guy who has a lot of obstacles. Being a runner is an obstacle. Taking most of his snaps out of shotgun is an obstacle. These are legitimate factors.

To be fair though, White passed a lot more as a senior and looked a lot better doing it.

I'm not really on his bandwagon, but I don't see any reason why he should switch to WR either. I believe that he has a legimitate chance to develop as an NFL QB, if he goes to the right team.

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because we don't need a WR that badly and he has little interest in being one right now?

because he's not technically sound as a QB, because 4.55 speed isn't "special" at this level, because he's not that accurate, because unlike the few 6'0 guys who succeed at this level he's a runner first and passer second.

Because John Fox doesn't like running QBs, we don't run the shotgun that much, we don't spread formation that much, we don't call the QB's number on running plays, and so on.

So, we could change our entire team structure (I can hear it now - we should fire Fox so we can make room for Pat White) for a "maybe".

"scouting him hard" is the team's job right now. Remember the last guy we were rumored to be talking with heavily, and we picked? No? Me either. Hell, Jon Beason says most of our time spent with him was him at a computer taking a personality test. Most of our guys had never met him when he was picked.

So, I don't put a ton of stock into "32 teams were there watching a player workout for the draft and we had people watching with the 31 other teams."

When its pointed out that the Panthers sent extra scouts to watch him that is scouting hard.

Also Pat is more accurate then you know. He can place the bowl right over the shoulders of players or put it in tight spots. He also had a good TD to int ratio.

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To be fair though, White passed a lot more as a senior and looked a lot better doing it.

I'm not really on his bandwagon, but I don't see any reason why he should switch to WR either. I believe that he has a legimitate chance to develop as an NFL QB, if he goes to the right team.

Then why would he come here... :lol:

IDK, I wouldn't be angry if he fell to the 3rd and we picked him up.

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When its pointed out that the Panthers sent extra scouts to watch him that is scouting hard.

Also Pat is more accurate then you know. He can place the bowl right over the shoulders of players or put it in tight spots. He also had a good TD to int ratio.

that's them doing their job. They're not there to show their support, they're there to watch the workout.

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To be fair though, White passed a lot more as a senior and looked a lot better doing it.

I'm not really on his bandwagon, but I don't see any reason why he should switch to WR either. I believe that he has a legimitate chance to develop as an NFL QB, if he goes to the right team.

him moving is between him and the team that drafts him.

He can play quarterback, he's shown that. He has to show he can play NFL football, and play the style of quarterback that this league requires. I don't know if he can, and despite half of this thread, it's okay to question whether he can.

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I cant name you a lousy passer period who's won a Super Bowl. Not all running quarterbacks are "lousy passers". Randall Cunningham is perhaps the greatest "running" quarterback of all time and put up a 34 TD season that set the single season scoring mark. He was a botched FG away from a Super Bowl. Steve Young is another great "running" quarterback. His 43 rushing TDs is a NFL record for QBs. He won a Super Bowl and is the HOF. If Pat White can develop a strong passing game this guy has as good a shot as anybody.

Perhaps? No he is, NFL films called it. Vick got #2 I think.

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