Did Dan Connor Know????

[Jangler]

Most child abuse and rape doesn't happen if front of other people unless they are a part of the crime.

[Anybodyhome]

There are a lot of different sides to take in this entire mess. And to characterize everyone as either a "pedophile-enabler" or "burn the school to the ground- justice is done" is wrong and that's what is in nearly every post here.

The minute someone brings up a point to be considered and it does not include, "Someone should have lynched the guy on the spot," they are immediately placed in the Huddle's registered sex offender data base as a Jerry Sandusky supporter.

The fact that people are reacting in a manner that suggests you're either supporting a child molester or supporting Joe Paterno and there is no gray area is scary because this only further demonstrates our society's complete lack of tolerance for anything that does not agree with the informed or uninformed opinion of the masses, regardless how misguided those may be.

How many of you have driven past a lone woman standing next to a broken down car on the highway and kept going?

How many of you have seen a mistreated, malnourished dog chained up to a tree in 90 degree weather in someone's backyard and done nothing?

How many of you have driven past a just-occurred accident before any police or law enforcement arrived and done nothing?

Sure, in the grand scale of things, these are probably nowhere close to what took place at Penn State, but they all have one thing in common- the decision of someone to do the right thing... or not.

[footballisasport]

Most child abuse and rape doesn't happen if front of other people unless they are a part of the crime.

U're right...Sandusky knew that those with the power to do, although they didn't like him being on Campus doing what he was doing with the kids, would never stop him. The man was quite open with his advancement on those kids on the PSU campus.

Intersting article on campus police for those who insist on following those PSU students who now want to direct their anger at McQueary because of Joe's firing and their belief that it's his fault for not calling the campus police at the time of the incident.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/12/us/on-college-campuses-athletes-often-get-off-easy.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2

[footballisasport]

There are a lot of different sides to take in this entire mess. And to characterize everyone as either a "pedophile-enabler" or "burn the school to the ground- justice is done" is wrong and that's what is in nearly every post here.

The minute someone brings up a point to be considered and it does not include, "Someone should have lynched the guy on the spot," they are immediately placed in the Huddle's registered sex offender data base as a Jerry Sandusky supporter.

The fact that people are reacting in a manner that suggests you're either supporting a child molester or supporting Joe Paterno and there is no gray area is scary because this only further demonstrates our society's complete lack of tolerance for anything that does not agree with the informed or uninformed opinion of the masses, regardless how misguided those may be.

How many of you have driven past a lone woman standing next to a broken down car on the highway and kept going?

How many of you have seen a mistreated, malnourished dog chained up to a tree in 90 degree weather in someone's backyard and done nothing?

How many of you have driven past a just-occurred accident before any police or law enforcement arrived and done nothing?

Sure, in the grand scale of things, these are probably nowhere close to what took place at Peen State, but they all have one thing in common- the decision of someone to do the right thing... or not.

U are 100% correct. As I stated, if so many believe that they would have acted differently than McQueary in his situation, then why so many sense crimes still take place right under our noses and nothing is being done. There is a reason why hindsight will always be 20/20 with us humans.

I should have added quotes around my comment of PSU needing to be "burnt down." It's not meant literally. But it's clear that the "Good Ole Boys" club was alive and well in that school. What the world saw and wanted to believe of PSU wasn't quite what it was behind the scenes. But that is usually the case with every institution, including marriage..:)

[C47]

As I said before, if you don't understand that MCqueary should have done more to stop an innocent child being victimized by a rapist, then it's YOU who needs the reality check....

Nowhere in that did I say the higher ups weren't 100% wrong so don't even bring that up. That's not the point of my argument, my point is that a 28 year old man walked out of a building and allowed a 10 year old boy to be sodomized, and didn't even call the police to have them intervene.....inexcusable, and you defending him is sickening....

[tight lines]

It called natural response. It usually occur when someone is in a state of mental shocked. They do what comes naturally to them. Some folks run to get away from the incident. Others react violently. And others break down and cry. And some would just stand in a frozen state. McQueary did what came natural to him and that was to seek advise from someone he trusted, that was his father. It's not like Sandusky was some stranger to McQueary.

This action seems strange to me. It seems as if he was unsure whether to look the other way or not. To me it is a sign of a poor moral compass.

Who would he call if he witnessed a robbery, or a murder?

If 99% of the folk agreed that McQueary should have done more as someone on this site stated, then why is child abuse and rape still at such a high rate in this country. I guess because everyone wants to believe they would do the right thing but when the time comes, like TPTB at PSU, no one does anything.

Most people that abuse children are not directly seen in the act. Vermon like these usually hide in the shadows, which is why its very important for people to expose them when possible.

Unless u have been in a situation like what McQueary experienced, it's unfair to make such point blank judgement of him. Unless it's being done with malicious intent.

And WOW...to u wanting McQueary to be ostracised...Like really. Talk about taking ur twisted anger out on the weakest link. Do u feel Joe Paterno should be ostracised also? If he and TPTB at the school had done something back in the 90's McQueary wouldn't have been witness to the school's dirty little secret. Don't u think..

All of these people did practically nothing and should all be looked down upon by society. Its amazing to me that anybody could think the actions of any of the individuals involved in the enabling of child rape at PSU are ok. ANY of these individuals could have stopped this man had they had the intestinal fortitude to do so. Its not a twisted anger, nor is it anger at all. This is generally how society enforces the basic rules of humanity.

[Edward Teach]

I can't believe that there is this much debating over this...

Anyone on the staff while this happened has to be let go.

And I think I remember hearing that Connor got in trouble for calling and harassing a former coach that had Alzheimer's.

[Jangler]

Well, here is the law in Pennsylvania

http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/049/chapter21/s21.502.html

§ 21.502. Suspected child abuse—mandated reporting requirements.

(a) General rule. Under 23 Pa.C.S. § 6311 (relating to persons required to report suspected child abuse), RNs, LPNs or CRNPs who, in the course of their employment, occupation or practice of their profession, come into contact with children shall report or cause a report to be made to the Department of Public Welfare when they have reasonable cause to suspect on the basis of their professional or other training or experience, that a child coming before them in their professional or official capacity is a victim of child abuse.

(b) Staff members of public or private agencies, institutions and facilities. RNs, LPNs and CRNPs who are staff members of a medical or other public or private institution, school, facility or agency, and who, in the course of their employment, occupation or practice of their profession, come into contact with children shall immediately notify the person in charge of the institution, school, facility or agency or the designated agent of the person in charge when they have reasonable cause to suspect on the basis of their professional or other training or experience, that a child coming before them in their professional or official capacity is a victim of child abuse. Upon notification by the RN, LPN or CRNP, the person in charge or the designated agent shall assume the responsibility and have the legal obligation to report or cause a report to be made in accordance with subsections (a), © and (d).

© Reporting procedure. Reports of suspected child abuse shall be made by telephone and by written report.

(1) Oral reports. Oral reports of suspected child abuse shall be made immediately by telephone to ChildLine, (800) 932-0313.

(2) Written reports. Written reports shall be made within 48 hours after the oral report is made by telephone. Written reports shall be made on forms available from a county children and youth social service agency.

(d) Written reports. Written reports shall be made in the manner and on forms prescribed by the Department of Public Welfare. The following information shall be included in the written reports, if available:

(1) The names and addresses of the child and the parents or other person responsible for the care of the child, if known.

(2) Where the suspected abuse occurred.

(3) The age and sex of the subjects of the report.

(4) The nature and extent of the suspected child abuse including any evidence of prior abuse to the child or siblings of the child.

(5) The name and relationship of the persons responsible for causing the suspected abuse, if known, and any evidence of prior abuse by those persons.

(6) Family composition.

(7) The source of the report.

(8) The person making the report and where that person can be reached.

(9) The actions taken by the reporting source, including the taking of photographs and X-rays, removal or keeping of the child or notifying the medical examiner or coroner.

(10) Other information which the Department of Public Welfare may require by regulation.

[tight lines]

To further clarify my position, the initial acts of ignoring a child rapists actions bothers me, but not as much as the fact that ALL of these individuals continued to work with this guy in their midst for 10 years without saying a word to anyone. The worked beside him KNOWING he was a child rapist. The watched him as he had overnight stays on their campus with 8-14 year olds. All the while they did NOTHING.

[Jangler]

The whole school should be arrested including Paterno.

[footballisasport]

All of these people did practically nothing and should all be looked down upon by society. Its amazing to me that anybody could think the actions of any of the individuals involved in the enabling of child rape at PSU are ok. ANY of these individuals could have stopped this man had they had the intestinal fortitude to do so. Its not a twisted anger, nor is it anger at all. This is generally how society enforces the basic rules of humanity[/quote

If that's the case then, why all the Joe Paterno worshipping by the media and why are we now encouraged to villianize McQueary by trying to turn his instant reaction to Sandusky in the shower into more than what it was?

[footballisasport]

Well, here is the law in Pennsylvania

http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/049/chapter21/s21.502.html

§ 21.502. Suspected child abuse—mandated reporting requirements.

(a) General rule. Under 23 Pa.C.S. § 6311 (relating to persons required to report suspected child abuse), RNs, LPNs or CRNPs who, in the course of their employment, occupation or practice of their profession, come into contact with children shall report or cause a report to be made to the Department of Public Welfare when they have reasonable cause to suspect on the basis of their professional or other training or experience, that a child coming before them in their professional or official capacity is a victim of child abuse.

(b) Staff members of public or private agencies, institutions and facilities. RNs, LPNs and CRNPs who are staff members of a medical or other public or private institution, school, facility or agency, and who, in the course of their employment, occupation or practice of their profession, come into contact with children shall immediately notify the person in charge of the institution, school, facility or agency or the designated agent of the person in charge when they have reasonable cause to suspect on the basis of their professional or other training or experience, that a child coming before them in their professional or official capacity is a victim of child abuse. Upon notification by the RN, LPN or CRNP, the person in charge or the designated agent shall assume the responsibility and have the legal obligation to report or cause a report to be made in accordance with subsections (a), © and (d).

© Reporting procedure. Reports of suspected child abuse shall be made by telephone and by written report.

(1) Oral reports. Oral reports of suspected child abuse shall be made immediately by telephone to ChildLine, (800) 932-0313.

(2) Written reports. Written reports shall be made within 48 hours after the oral report is made by telephone. Written reports shall be made on forms available from a county children and youth social service agency.

(d) Written reports. Written reports shall be made in the manner and on forms prescribed by the Department of Public Welfare. The following information shall be included in the written reports, if available:

(1) The names and addresses of the child and the parents or other person responsible for the care of the child, if known.

(2) Where the suspected abuse occurred.

(3) The age and sex of the subjects of the report.

(4) The nature and extent of the suspected child abuse including any evidence of prior abuse to the child or siblings of the child.

(5) The name and relationship of the persons responsible for causing the suspected abuse, if known, and any evidence of prior abuse by those persons.

(6) Family composition.

(7) The source of the report.

(8) The person making the report and where that person can be reached.

(9) The actions taken by the reporting source, including the taking of photographs and X-rays, removal or keeping of the child or notifying the medical examiner or coroner.

(10) Other information which the Department of Public Welfare may require by regulation.

And then there is the PSU way of handling child abuse...

1) Get the witness information..

2) Wait until the next day to call the head of the sports department to relay ur version of the story instead of the witness's version.

3) Wait another week and a half to bring in the person who witness the incident, to speak to the head of the deparment where the incident took place.

4) Then wait another two weeks to bring back the witness to speak to the head of the same deparment connected to the incident and the person responsible for contacting and reporting such incidents to the University police.

5) Don't even waste ur time to write it up or report the incident because in ur mind, the incident wasn't that "serious." U can only remember the witness telling you something about the grown man having "inappropriate sexual contact" or "horse playing" around in the shower with a kid.

6) Call back the witness and tell him that u called the grown man's company and had them "talk" to him and took away his facility keys. U also tell the witness that u have spoken to the grown man involved and told him that he's not allow to "bring young boys onto the campus."

7) U make sure that what u stated publically isn't inforceable because you know the man involved in the sex act against the kid runs part of his organization from the campus facility and there was never anything in place to stop him.

Yep...PSU way of handling child abuse sounds way less complicated and way to common..:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[C47]

If that's the case then, why all the Joe Paterno worshipping by the media and why are we now encouraged to villianize McQueary by trying to turn his instant reaction to Sandusky in the shower into more than what it was?

So what was it, other then a cowardly act where a guy who calls himself a man decided it was a good idea to ignore a child being raped and wait till the next day to notify anyone....

Hypothetical for you, what would you have wanted McQueary to do if it was your child being sodomized??

[Khaki Lackey]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and voice an unpopular opinion. When you see a 50 year old man raping a 10 year old boy, you stop it. It's crazy, I know. It's a dirty job. The guy is armed with a boner. I didn't envy the guys that had to tackle the streaker at the Pirates game last Saturday and I suppose this would be a lot worse. I think McQueary should be promoted to head coach for avoiding such craziness.