Record under GM Marty Hurney by the numbers

[Brooklyn Bully]

A lot of people here spent a lot of time pushing for Fox to be fired, Jake to be benched, the whole team to be blown up, etc, for a lot of years. Now all that has happened(rightfully so) and it's like ya'll didn't realize that meant rebuilding, meaning a losing season or two with a new coach, new scheme and rookie QB. From 2002-2009 Hurney built the team Fox wanted him to build. Now he's rebuilding the offense around Cam. That's not something that happens overnight. If we still look like this next year then the criticism is justified. Right now, it's too early.

Wrong. You play to win. You don't play to practice and build for next year. Please stop saying that.

[Cyberjag]

Marty Hurney assembles the roster and works the cap. It's up to the coaching staff to get them to play to the best of their abilities, work as a team, and execute on the field. You could fire him today, and it wouldn't make a bit of difference in how we finished our season, nor would it really have a ton of impact next year.

Maybe we should have done like Philadelphia, and signed every high-profile free agent we could. How's that working out for them? If we had, would it really have made a difference in our record, given how we've lost games? Would you all still be calling for Hurney's head anyway?

Hurney's made some mistakes, but on balance he's done a pretty good job in Carolina. And if you think he's the problem with this team, then I'm curious what GM would have met your standard for excellence.

On the other hand, he is the one who hired Fox, and then Rivera...

[Upper Deck West End Zone]

Hurney's made some mistakes, but on balance he's done a pretty good job in Carolina. And if you think he's the problem with this team, then I'm curious what GM would have met your standard for excellence.

On the other hand, he is the one who hired Fox, and then Rivera...

That's exactly the problem. He's done a 'pretty good job' which is why you see garbage out there. He's mediocre...at best.

If I did my job like he does his, I'd be fired. So would you.

If Hurney is fired, then do you have the faith in Jerry to hire a competent replacement?

I don't.

[mav1234]

If I did my job like he does his, I'd be fired. So would you.

You'd get fired for doing exactly what your boss wanted?

[bleys]

Wrong. You play to win. You don't play to practice and build for next year. Please stop saying that.

you also have to build chemistry.. understanding that doesn't mean you aren't playing to win.

[Cyberjag]

This is what I am scared of most. Marty building a team around Cam with a rookie HC. Major failure and major disaster up ahead. Teams do not need to go 2-14 two years in a row to get back to .500. Only badly managed teams do that.

The reason we did good was Fox got to have his way. The reason we started doing bad was Fox stopped getting his way and became too loyal to Jake. But Fox is already almost .500 with The Golden Calf of Bristol in Denver in his first year. Harbaugh has the 49'ers steamrolling up and running with Alex Smith.

Mary is NOT a football expert. He's a former journalist. Who buys into hype and not facts or good coaching philosophies. I never asked to get rid of Fox and Jake. I just said they needed to be split up. I certainly never asked to get rid of vets and go young. Not a good idea. The Pats don't do that. GB doesn't do that.

They build through the draft, but they hang on to their vets until they find the right guys to take over. They don't let them go and they acquire new guys every year. Moss, Ochocinco, etc. They always have a back-up plan.

We always had depth with Fox. With Marty we are broken, destroyed, torn to pieces and since the draft is a lottery and you never know what you're going to get(usually 1-2 good players) I don't see how we're going to fix this team without free agency.

And then you still need someone who can coach, and ask the GM to get him the players he needs to make it all work.

Fox's last "Fox-style" roster and the current one, where different:

Jake Delhomme / Cam Newton

DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart

Muhsin Muhammad / Legadu Nanee

Steve Smith

Jeff King / Jeremy Shockey

Dante Rosario / Greg Olsen

Jordan Gross

Travelle Wharton

Ryan Kalil

Keydrick Vincent / Geoff Hangartner

Jeff Otah

Tyler Brayton / Greg Hardy

Hollis Thomas / Sione Fua

Damione Lewis / Terrell McClain

Julius Peppers / Charles Johnson

Jon Beason

Thomas Davis

James Anderson

Chris Gamble

Richard Marshall / Captain Munnerlyn

Charles Godfrey

Sherrod Martin

I think that Moose was better than Nanee, and the DTs were better under Fox. But the rest of the replacements are better than what he had. And yet, he got way more out of the team he was given than Rivera is getting now.

Granted, that was Fox's team, and it fit Fox's style. And now he's out in Denver, with a team that was stripped of talent, winning games with someone who takes longer to wind up and pass than most DEs take to get to the QB. He lost big here last year probably because he was a lame duck, and because he was forced to field a team that didn't fit his model at all. And that didn't come from Hurney, it came from Richardson.

Hopefully, when Rivera has the type of team he can win with, he'll do the same thing that Fox is doing, but with better success. I sure hope it works out that way--I would hate to waste a few years of Newton's career with the east coast version of Mike Singletary on the sidelines.

Regardless, it has nothing to do with how Hurney is building the team. He's just drafting the best players he can find, signing a few free agents as needed, and managing the cap. It's up to the coaches to win.

[frash.exe]

Maybe we should have done like Philadelphia, and signed every high-profile free agent we could. How's that working out for them? If we had, would it really have made a difference in our record, given how we've lost games? Would you all still be calling for Hurney's head anyway?

while one of your biggest FA acquisitions since 2007 is Tyler Brayton lol

nobody suggested to break the bank (at least anybody that knows what they're talking about), but thankfully, we have Cyberjargon to point this out.

Carlos Rogers for example signed a 2.13 million dollar contract with SF and has as many interceptions as the entire panthers defense. When pressed about rumors of the Panthers being interested in him, Panther officials contradicted those reports.

[Cyberjag]

That's exactly the problem. He's done a 'pretty good job' which is why you see garbage out there. He's mediocre...at best.

If I did my job like he does his, I'd be fired. So would you.

If Hurney is fired, then do you have the faith in Jerry to hire a competent replacement?

I don't.

Just curious, do you think that the late Jim Johnson would have gotten more out of this defense than Sean McDermott has? Think that Dave Toub would make our special teams look any better than they do?

Or do you think that Charles Johnson would ride the bench for any NFL club out there? Maybe Greg Hardy and Chris Gamble would have trouble latching on to another roster? These guys aren't garbage, they're good players who are playing poorly.

[mav1234]

the one thing I can't figure out is why we just ran away screaming from the corners on the market at the time during the FA period...

[frash.exe]

the one thing I can't figure out is why we just ran away screaming from the corners on the market at the time during the FA period...

look mav would you rather sign no free agents or, drum roll pl0z, ...TOO MANY FREE AGENTS?!

btw these are the only two options you have

i'm cyberjag

[mav1234]

look mav would you rather sign no free agents or, drum roll pl0z, ...TOO MANY FREE AGENTS?!

btw these are the only two options you have

i'm cyberjag

we signed quite a few free agents, just not from other teams. ;)

[Cyberjag]

while one of your biggest FA acquisitions since 2007 is Tyler Brayton lol

nobody suggested to break the bank (at least anybody that knows what they're talking about), but thankfully, we have Cyberjargon to point this out.

Carlos Rogers for example signed a 2.13 million dollar contract with SF and has as many interceptions as the entire panthers defense. When pressed about rumors of the Panthers being interested in him, Panther officials contradicted those reports.

At least Brayton was gotten on the cheap. :)

And aside from Rogers, apparently the Panthers weren't interested in anyone else they didn't or couldn't sign either. I can't think of a single instance where someone signed with another team and Hurney said "Man, we really wanted that guy." But I'm sure that's happened a lot, maybe you can give me a few examples.

The beat writers reported that the Panthers were interested in Rogers, for what that's worth. But Carolina hasn't been a big landing spot for high profile free agents since Ken Lucas. Green Bay hasn't either, curiously enough...

[Raleighcat83]

Wrong. You play to win. You don't play to practice and build for next year. Please stop saying that.

Yes, you play to win. This doesn't mean you fire everyone every time you lose. Not saying losing is good, or that it's ok, or that we shouldn't be upset about it. But I'm saying Hurney did a decent job of building the type of team Fox wanted for 8 years. That team got old, and for the last two years JR wasn't writing checks due to the impending lockout. Hurney is now trying to build the type of team Rivera wants. It's a little too early to say he's failed at that. That's not accepting losing, that's being reasonable. Ya'll wanna fire coaches and GMs faster than Dan Snyder and Al Davis combined.

[Cyberjag]

look mav would you rather sign no free agents or, drum roll pl0z, ...TOO MANY FREE AGENTS?!

btw these are the only two options you have

i'm cyberjag

Boy, you really have issues...

BTW, I would love if it Hurney never missed in the draft, and always signed the one FA who would make the big difference. But he hasn't. I don't know of the GM who has. And I don't feel like he's the main problem in Carolina right now. You could field an all-pro defense and if they played with the discipline that our team showed today they would get the same result.

If you really think that replacing him is the answer, then more power to you. I just think that it won't make a ton of difference right now.