Football Outsiders updated Panthers statistics

[teeray]

Which is why the average ypp is 200/13 =15.4(This is actually the exact league average)

Just one other small quibble since you busted my balls about attention to detail.

15.4 isn't league average it is the league median. The average would be @16.4 YPP.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

Seriously some form validation + a confirmation email would make it much harder for the PFFLs of the world. He couldn't just enter [email protected] as his email and create a new account.

[mav1234]

honestly I just want him to realize what YPP is so he stops thinking that it is showing him something it isn't.

[Montsta]

Seriously some form validation + a confirmation email would make it much harder for the PFFLs of the world. He couldn't just enter [email protected] as his email and create a new account.

It only takes ten seconds to make a [email protected] account and use that. He'll still do it. He needs to realize that if you have ten alternate accounts because everybody thinks you're an idiot, maybe you need to change your debate strategy or just stop coming here all together.

[rayzor]

honestly I just want him to realize what YPP is so he stops thinking that it is showing him something it isn't.

it's just a waste of everyone's time and bandwidth.

[rayzor]

It only takes ten seconds to make a [email protected] account and use that. He'll still do it. He needs to realize that if you have ten alternate accounts because everybody thinks you're an idiot, maybe you need to change your debate strategy or just stop coming here all together.

he's a brick wall.

he won't concede. his whole purpose of being is to prove he's right on the internet. pretty sad existence, but whatever.

[PantherProwler]

Holy hell, how do you not understand YPP?

Special teams yards ARE NOT COUNTED. ALL that counts is the yards the offense generates. JUST THE OFFENSE. Not SPECIAL TEAMS! Teeray did this earlier, but let's look at our game against Tennessee.

Tennessee:

Yards rushing: 172

Net yards passing: 211

Total yards by the offense: 383

Total points by the team: 30

YPP: 12.76 (383/30), the YPP given at http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/yards-per-point which is the site you were using.

POINTS SCORED BY THE OFFENSE: 23.

POINTS SCORED BY SPECIAL TEAMS: 7

SPECIAL TEAMS YARDS: 110

Now tell me, where in YPP is the special teams yards calculated? You know why you can't find it? Because it isn't. This can't be more clear or more simple. YPP is one of the simplest ways to show a team's scoring efficiency, but it shows so much more than just the offense.

Look dude, maybe you've created a new "YPP" that isn't the YPP the rest of the fugging world uses, that's fine. I honestly can't tell if you are serious anymore because you are smarter than this.

If your offense has 100 total yards(50 passing, 50 rushing) and 3 points in a game but your defense (INT return) and special teams (punt return) each score a touchdown, your total yards would be 100 and your total points would be 17, giving you a YPP of 5.88. Yet you won't find anyone that says 3 points on 100 yards is good offense. Yet a 5.88 YPP is pretty damn low... but does it directly relate to the offense? No. It relates to the team as a whole.

1. SPECIAL TEAMS YARDS ARE ACCOUNTED FOR. You still don't understand how ypp works do you?

First of all let me say this. I keep trying to tell you ypp takes everything into consideration. It's how it accounts everything that makes it important. I think I have said it a million times that a turnover improves your " scoring offense's" ypp. As well as its own "scoring defense" ypp.

A pick 6 is a takeway for 6 points.

A regular takeaway at midfield is worth 3.8(non-scoring)

These are the ways in which a defense helps your "total offense's efficiency".

Now once again, let me repeat: your punt returner is in fact, part of your total scoring offense. So those yards and points count as part of the total offense's ypp. Which is why ypp is a measurement of your TOTAL offense. Get it? And yes it measures the points and yards when special teams scores. It only measures the increased efficiency for your offense when they don't and they give your offense the ball.

If they take it 100 yards for 7 points then your scoring offense efficiency from your special teams offense is exactly 14.2ypp. This is what they contribute. If they do it again and again and again your scoring offense remains exactly 14.2. No matter how many times they score. Because you add the ypp of each drive and divide by the number of drives.

Why? Because that is a constant. That's 100/7. Each time they do it, think of it as 1 unit worth 14.2 that you just keep multiplying and dividing by the number of drives. But the yards is always counted in that constant. That is where it STARTS for 7 point scores. And it either gets worse or better based on field position or turnover by your offense.

But there are two different ypp stats people keep track of. One for the offense. and one for the defense. And I see what your problem is now. For one you have a problem with the term "scoring offense". Look it up and find out what it means.

For the other, if you are asking me whether a defensive player getting a pix 6 is considered part of your "scoring offense" or "scoring defense" find that out too and convince yourself and let me know. Don't use your personal opinion. But really look it up.

What I can tell you is that interception is most certainly a takeaway and it's going to improve the defense and offense's YPP's separately in a positive way, as well as the offense's YPP! But they are counted, separately. One goes under scoring defense. One goes under scoring offense. One is for you defense or more specifically: "opponent's scoring offense"

See this is your scoring defense opponent ypp:

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opp-yards-per-point

13.7 Opponents yards per point. We are ranked 29th.

TWO DIFFERENT STATS!

Not. 18.9 which is for the offense ypp.(25th)THIS: http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/yards-per-point

The yards that our opponent lost by our defense getting that takeaway improves your defense's ypp allowed. Understood? It means your opponent now has to do it again. So your defense is more efficient in, let me say this correctly, limiting, or "lengthening" the field for your opponent. It just made life miserable for your opponent.

On the scoring defense YPP it's the exact opposite of your offense. The bigger the number the more efficient your defense is in preventing your opponent's total offense from getting short fields against us.

Special teams defense improves a scoring defense's ypp stat by stopping a punt returner before the 20 yard line or as far back to the endzone as possible. This is its own stat. You understand? Your punter helps defensive by pinning them way back(but this hurts your offense's ypp, since it's a turnover, as well as your defense's ypp if it's not at the 0.1 yard line).

[rayzor]

please don't respond.

[PantherProwler]

please don't respond.

Mind your own business.

[mav1234]

if ypp is calculated in whatever crazy way you think it is, why by your own admission do we have a YPP of 18.9, which is precisely 3600 (1150 rushing + 2450 passing, NOTHING from special teams) yards / 190 points (188 points for our offense, 2 points from a safety for our defense)?

edit: sorry everyone... I don't know why I still bother. I'll leave it be.

[rayzor]

Mind your own business.

tl;dr

[PantherProwler]

if ypp is calculated in whatever crazy way you think it is, why by your own admission do we have a YPP of 18.9, which is precisely 3600 (1150 rushing + 2450 passing) yards / 190 points (188 points for our offense, 2 points from a safety for our defense)?

edit: sorry everyone... I don't know why I still bother. I'll leave it be.

Why do you try to re-define what it's already so plain and clear?

You don't like my explanation of it. Fine. Read someone else.

There's a great college football preview magazine out there by Phil Steele... most accurate predictions in the country over the last five years or so. It's full of more information than anyone but the most diehard fan could ever want, and one of Phil's statistics is Yards Per Point (ypp).

The idea is that an offense is EFFICIENT if their ypp is low, meaning they're turning yards gained into points scored. Likewise, a good defense doesn't let you turn yards into TDs, so a good defense will have a high ypp. Winning the field position battle also creates a favorable ypp statistic.

http://leftfieldbluff.blogspot.com/2006/10/new-statistic-yards-per-point.html

But don't tell me I don't understand. Cause I get that poo. It's clear as day for me. It's plain English. I don't know why you and the rest of this place has such a hard time with it.

I have been tell you this over and over and over. Every damn football fan understands this, except here.

Or how about this...from the 1970's.

In order to relate points scored and allowed to wins and losses, data for all teams from 1970 through 1980 was accumulated. The technique used, regression analysis, is a way to determine the relationship between one or more independent variables (such as points for or points against) and a dependent variable (wins).

For example, if one wanted to assign a value to points scored and another to points allowed in order to predict wins over .500 for two teams, this would be a situation with two equations and two unknowns, and the answer could be found exactly.

http://www.profootballresearchers.org/Coffin_Corner/03-An-081.pdf

Must be really hard to grasp "the most important" and "offense efficiency". Or is it that you just don't WANT TO get it?

[rayzor]

*crosses fingers*

[PantherProwler]

Or how about this:

Yards Per Point is probably the single most powerful stat in handicapping college and NFL football. It's a stat that at a glance, can tell you a whole lot about any given team. It's a stat that should be used by professional sports bettors and recreational sportsbettors alike.

What makes this stat attractive to the recreational sports handicapper is that it allows a guy or gal who works a full week, and has a life outside of sports, to make educated selections on football games with only a minimal amount of work.

The stat is very easy to compute. Simply take a teams offensive yards gained and divide by points scored. On defense, take the yards given up and divide by points given up. Many publications, tip sheets, etc, do the work for you. Power Sweep is one such publication.

So now you have two numbers for each team. An offensive number and a defensive number. The lower the offensive number, the better the offense. The higher the defensive number, the better the defense.

You can now take these numbers and use them as a power rating.

How many more explanations do you need?