George Lucas: See if I give you Episodes 7-9!

[Brandon]

that's why luke and leia ended up being brother and sister after their pseudo-romance

Siblings who were separated at birth have a high likelihood of developing a strong emotional connection after being reunited, with that often resulting in some sort of romance.

vader tortures leia, spends extended time with her in a new hope, yet can't sense that she's his daughter, or that she has a talent for the force?

Her connection with the force was much weaker than Luke's. Vader had no reason to suspect she was his daughter because he was told she died during childbirth. Also, he didn't learn about who Luke really was until after the battle of Yavin IV.

only two sith are allowed at a time, but vader wants to rule the galaxy as father and son with luke in empire. does vader plan to kill the emperor?

Master takes apprentice, apprentice kills master or master dies, apprentice becomes master. Or something like that. Either way dark side does not necessarily force one to be Sith. Just the same way as being strong in the force does not make one a Jedi.

the entire process for becoming a jedi is so detached between the trilogies. anakin has to submit to a very regimented training process, whereas luke just chills with obi wan, hangs out on dagobah, leaves before his training, comes back and requires no training, but oh wait, yoda forgot, he has to kill darth vader before he can become a jedi. seriously. wtf.

Read Shadows of the Empire, it will explain everything.

Also Yoda did train Obi-Wan as Yoda was very involved with the younger students who had not become a padawan yet.

either he's the worst writer in history, or a fat neck liar. maybe both.

There are some gaps in his storytelling for sure, but the ones you pointed out have been covered pretty well in the actual movies and the main EU material.

[Mr. Scot]

Dang it :(

I have a quota of crappy movies I'm supposed to see annually. Lucas deciding against more Star Wars flicks makes it tougher to meet.

[Delhomeboy]

Siblings who were separated at birth have a high likelihood of developing a strong emotional connection after being reunited, with that often resulting in some sort of romance.

The problem with this is that there's no sufficient evidence to indicate that's what Lucas was doing. If he was going to have the Luke/Leia thing be more of a long-lost sibling reuniting unconscious affection, it need to be worked in more carefully to the plot and in their behavior towards one another--not to mention that once Leia brings it up, she says (in the worst line of the OT, IMO) that "I know...somehow, I've always known." That really brings up a lot of questions that the previous two movies don't answer.

Her connection with the force was much weaker than Luke's. Vader had no reason to suspect she was his daughter because he was told she died during childbirth. Also, he didn't learn about who Luke really was until after the battle of Yavin IV.

No argument here.

Master takes apprentice, apprentice kills master or master dies, apprentice becomes master. Or something like that. Either way dark side does not necessarily force one to be Sith. Just the same way as being strong in the force does not make one a Jedi.

Yeah, but if you're strong in the Force and have a desire for power and want to learn the ways of the dark side--aren't those the only prerequisites for being a Sith?

Read Shadows of the Empire, it will explain everything.

There are some gaps in his storytelling for sure, but the ones you pointed out have been covered pretty well in the actual movies and the main EU material.

Sadly, parts of Shadows of the Empire itself has been retconned by the PT. Like the parts where it's implied that the Emperor is the way he is because he's basically rotting due to the dark side (which I find a much stronger interpretation than what Lucas came up with). So who knows what to trust anymore?

Plus, there's also the issue of needing ancillary material to understand what happens in a movie. If you write a movie, and then have to print a cliff notes just for people to understand what has happened in the movie, something has failed along the way. I don't think SW fans--or any fans in general, for that matter--should have to read dozens of tomes just so they can understand what happened in three movies they love.

[OneBadassCat]

I agree that the Sith make much more sense than the Jedi. If the Jedi would have just let Anakin be with Padme then he would have never joined the dark side, he wouldn't have to hide anything. It was their fault for having such churchy practices. Plus in the grand scheme of things Qui Gon Jin is an asshole because the whole destruction of the Jedi was his fault. I bet Yoda talked major poo to him after he died.

Also I think the whole midichlorian concept is stupid. I've always felt that the cool thing about the force was mind over matter and the mastery of that concept. Not, you were born with a certain level of talent. It really waters down the idea of rage and hate fueling ones power.

[Brandon]

The problem with this is that there's no sufficient evidence to indicate that's what Lucas was doing. If he was going to have the Luke/Leia thing be more of a long-lost sibling reuniting unconscious affection, it need to be worked in more carefully to the plot and in their behavior towards one another--not to mention that once Leia brings it up, she says (in the worst line of the OT, IMO) that "I know...somehow, I've always known." That really brings up a lot of questions that the previous two movies don't answer.

Even though the movie doesn't answer the questions directly, it does give reasonable explanations based on common sense. Leia kisses Luke to make Han jealous... etc. There were some holes but not to the point that it takes anything away from the movie.

Yeah, but if you're strong in the Force and have a desire for power and want to learn the ways of the dark side--aren't those the only prerequisites for being a Sith?

Revan proved you could explore the dark side and not be Sith.

Sadly, parts of Shadows of the Empire itself has been retconned by the PT. Like the parts where it's implied that the Emperor is the way he is because he's basically rotting due to the dark side (which I find a much stronger interpretation than what Lucas came up with). So who knows what to trust anymore?

Plus, there's also the issue of needing ancillary material to understand what happens in a movie. If you write a movie, and then have to print a cliff notes just for people to understand what has happened in the movie, something has failed along the way. I don't think SW fans--or any fans in general, for that matter--should have to read dozens of tomes just so they can understand what happened in three movies they love.

Lucas came up with both explanations, obviously he wanted to give something to the people who only watched the movies and never explored the EU.

The problem with the Star Wars universe is that it was just simply massive. So many things that could have been explored but you are limited by the amount of content you can insert into a handful of feature length films. I think the average fan can be content with not knowing the full explanation behind every facet of the universe, and honestly they probably would have lost interest had they expounded on everything.

[RedMage138]

Revan proved you could explore the dark side and not be Sith.

...Revan became a Sith

[Porn Shop Clerk]

yeah the most powerful sith/jedi ever spent 2 hours torturing his daughter and never even realized it, but told luke in the next movie to look within himself and he would know it to be true

keep on slurpin'

i don't give a fug what the books talk about since they were just a fat neck CASH IN

like cp3o being made by anakin skywalker

[natty]

...Revan became a Sith

Wasn't Revan a jedi then a sith then kind of did his own thing?

Also, didn't Windu embrace parts of the dark side? I thought that was why he was such a badass with a lightsaber.

[RedMage138]

Wasn't Revan a jedi then a sith then kind of did his own thing?

Also, didn't Windu embrace parts of the dark side? I thought that was why he was such a badass with a lightsaber.

He was a Jedi, then a Sith, then the Jedi brain washed him again and he became a Jedi and stopped Darth Malak then he went off to the Foundry to do stuff with HK-47.

[Scrumtrilescent]

I will continue to slurp Lucas' Star Wars gizz and ask for seconds. I can live with that.

[Darth Biscuit]

Wasn't Revan a jedi then a sith then kind of did his own thing?

Also, didn't Windu embrace parts of the dark side? I thought that was why he was such a badass with a lightsaber.

I think Revan was a jedi, then a sith and then lost his memory or something and was re-trained in the light side... check wookiepedia.

The lightsaber form Windu invented, Vaapad, flirted with the dark side, and he was the only one to ever master it without falling to the dark side.

[Porn Shop Clerk]

what the hell does a fighting style have to do with emotion

nvm i don't want to hear it

[Porn Shop Clerk]

glorified fanfic does not canon make no matter how many times george lucas rubs his hairy genitals on it

[Brandon]

yeah the most powerful sith/jedi ever spent 2 hours torturing his daughter and never even realized it, but told luke in the next movie to look within himself and he would know it to be true

keep on slurpin'

i don't give a fug what the books talk about since they were just a fat neck CASH IN

like cp3o being made by anakin skywalker

And Empire Strikes Back was a cash in. Your point?