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Care-Oh-Linuh

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How many times has this topic come up? As said before, the players needed for a 4-3 and a 3-4 are two completely different things. We have the personnel to run a mediocre 4-3 set. We do not have the personnel to run even a mediocre 3-4. It's not like we just have three linemen and four LB's, 4-3 OLBs and 3-4 OLBs are two completely different animals. For example, our 3-4 OLBs would probably be Applewhite and I'm thinking Keiser. 4-3 OLBs are more equivalent to 3-4 ILBs. 3-4 is centered around pass rush, really. We just don't have the personnel to field a decent 3-4.

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If I'm understanding correctly, Beason, TD, Anderson, and Kuechly couldn't handle a 3-4?

These players would be inside LB's in a 3-4. They are not suited to play OLB's in a 3-4. 3-4 OLB's are pass rush specialists. The only similarity is the name linebacker, which is a misnomer in my opinion. The two positions are nothing alike.
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If I'm understanding correctly, Beason, TD, Anderson, and Kuechly couldn't handle a 3-4?

Sorry to say, but no they cannot. Beast is not yet back to Beasting, Anderson is overrated, and Kuechly is still rookieing it pretty badly. Davis can play outside in a 3-4 if he is healthy. Just not sure he is there yet.

So no, we do not have the personell at LBer to play the 3-4.

We would have to shuffle players around,, relearn a new system, and pretty much start from scratch. That prospect is not endearing to a staff in, try and get this ship going in the right direction mode.

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These players would be inside LB's in a 3-4. They are not suited to play OLB's in a 3-4. 3-4 OLB's are pass rush specialists. The only similarity is the name linebacker, which is a misnomer in my opinion. The two positions are nothing alike.

I understand the positioning. Thank you for not being a douche also. But isn't our D strongest when the best players are on the field? <<<common sense, I know. Sitting a LB on every play makes me feel like the D isn't complete when they take the field.

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I understand the positioning. Thank you for not being a douche also. But isn't our D strongest when the best players are on the field? <<<common sense, I know. Sitting a LB on every play makes me feel like the D isn't complete when they take the field.

In a 3-4 there is one Nose Tackle in the center of the D-Line. He is bookended by two Defensive Ends. These three make up the D-Line. Outside of the D-Line, to either side is an Outside Linebacker. They both are lined up close to the LOS like the D-Line, but further out so they can gain speed and momentum before reaching the opposing O-Line. Behind the front five are the two Inside Linebackers. They play a lot like Inside Linebackers from a 4-3 but, again, these two base defenses are totally different. Kuech and Beast could handle these spots with a little practice. Beside and behind the ILB's is the Secondary, The Cornerbacks to either side and the Strong and Free Safeties to the rear. They play a lot like the same positions in the 4-3.

NT - The biggest fatass you can find to take up a double team. Think that big fuger from NE.

DE - Nothing like a 4-3 DE, who are meant to get after the passer on the outside. These guys are meant to take up blocks.

OLB - A big, physical, fast, mean fuger who dreams at night of eating opposing QB's for lunch. He is a pure pass rusher.

ILB - Meant for pass coverage and run support, though they are also asked to help blitz on occasion. A little like a 4-3 LB, but assignments are often a little different.

CB - Similar to 4-3 CB.

SS - Similar to 4-3 SS.

FS - Similar to 4-3 FS.

As you can see, a 3-4 defense is built around the idea of pass defense. Their specialty is rushing the passer. It is a totally different animal than a 4-3, though it has it's own drawbacks just like a 4-3 does. The positions are called the same thing simply for convenience. They are not the same. We don't have the personnel to run a 3-4 and it would take several years to transition. To be honest it would be better to get a headstart in the transition and begin now, because it is inevitable. This is a passing league and we need to keep up or be left in the dust. But that's really up to the coaches and it doesn't seem like they have any real intentions of changing any time soon.

Oh, and for those who don't know: Rushing three is NOT the same as running a true 3-4 set.

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How many times has this topic come up? As said before, the players needed for a 4-3 and a 3-4 are two completely different things. We have the personnel to run a mediocre 4-3 set. We do not have the personnel to run even a mediocre 3-4. It's not like we just have three linemen and four LB's, 4-3 OLBs and 3-4 OLBs are two completely different animals. For example, our 3-4 OLBs would probably be Applewhite and I'm thinking Keiser. 4-3 OLBs are more equivalent to 3-4 ILBs. 3-4 is centered around pass rush, really. We just don't have the personnel to field a decent 3-4.

Mediocre 4-3? That is rather kind.

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