To put our suckyness into perspective

[Squirrel]

And the rulebook that allowed DBs to be more physical

This and our secondary was actually worse back then.

[nobody]

I remember those days.......... I also remember Hurney going onto 1110 am every monday morning to talk to the fans..........

He still is doing that right? Right?.........

[CRA]

See, our defense was very much the same in 2001 as it was in 2002 and 2003, which was my point. Fox took an awful team, and turned them around. Rivera has a talented team, and..we may be picking first this year in the draft..

Not true.

Fox simply added the right kind of offense in 2003....

The 2002 D and ST were also better than anything Rivera has. In 2003 Fox simply added the complimentary offense to a strong D and ST.

Carolina had very very good D in 2002. #2 ranked D despite a weak O.

Carolina wasn't awful in 2002. Offense was just fixed from 2002 to 2003

[MemphisGambler]

In John Foxes first year, Rodney Peete was the starting QB, and we started 3-0. This coming off an awful 1-15 season, and Fox had the same players mind you. We ended up 7-9, winning 4 out of our last 5. In his season year, Fox went to CAREER BACKUP JAKE DELHOMME and started 5-0, and of course, ended up a John Kasey kick away from winning a Super Bowl.

Ron Rivera punted the ball on a 4th an 1 from the 45 with a 6'6 260 QB that would have won the game.

Based on Fox having Peyton Manning instead of Rodney Peete this year, they should be undefeated.