How much is Hardy worth?

[jarhead]

Allen makes 16 million a season, peppers makes 14. That's what miller and smith are looking at, avril turned down a 10 mil a year deal. Avril also isn't as versatile or a explosive as hardy. Kruger isn't the player that hardy is either. He's worth more then both. It's not just about sacks, hardy posted better pressure numbers over the last two seasons compared to Kruger and avril.

 

I think your argument is justified if we were talking to him at the end of the year but Greg is being offered financial security now before the season starts in the event he gets injured. The risk is spread between him and the team. If I were Greg or advising Greg I would take a 5 year 40 million now versus risking an injury in a heart beat. 

 

The title of this post should be how much is it worth to Hardy?

[jarhead]

I'm really not worry about giving Hardy a contract anytime soon. I mean why should we? 

We have the edge over Hardy at this point and time. You guys are forgetting that Hardy's hands are tied. Yall are forgetting all about the "Franchise Tag". If we dont reach an extension, we simply Franchise Hardy. He'll eventually come to camp at some point in time or else he'll lose a lot of money. Another scenario, "tag and trade" the man. Im not going to expect an extension anytime soon.

Because it will save you money if this is a player you want on your roster. To me it is a sound philosophy. 

[carpanfan96]

I think your argument is justified if we were talking to him at the end of the year but Greg is being offered financial security now before the season starts in the event he gets injured. The risk is spread between him and the team. If I were Greg or advising Greg I would take a 5 year 40 million now versus risking an injury in a heart beat.

The title of this post should be how much is it worth to Hardy?

Just look at what rosenhause got CJ or Kruger, both of those players didn't have as many pressures or qb hits as Hardy has.

The thought of injury isn't factored, players assume they won't get injured when it comes contract time. They know they only have 1-2 big deals in a career and will go after as much money as possible when they get the opportunity. Gettleman will bring it up for sure, but it's likely not as big a factor for Hardy and Drew as many are thinking. Just like it wasn't really a factor for CJ or Kruger.

If he doesn't accept a contract, has a good season he knows he'll likely get the tag which will pay him 13 million guaranteed. That's pretty much the same he'd get from a 40 million dollar deal and he's only playing one season for the 13. After that if he has another good season, he'll either get a big deal or another franchise tag worth 15+. He plays the three seasons an he's made nearly 30 million guaranteed and would still be young enough to get a big deal. He literally holds the cards because of his position and value

[Sloth]

Wanted to point out that comparing CJ's stats vs Hardy's as a baseline doesn't completely work.  Johnson put up his stats while carrying the line. He had very little help.  Hardy produced when paired with an existing, high talent DE.

 

He deserves to get paid but he's not going to get CJ money from anyone.

[panther4life]

Wanted to point out that comparing CJ's stats vs Hardy's as a baseline doesn't completely work.  Johnson put up his stats while carrying the line. He had very little help.  Hardy produced when paired with an existing, high talent DE.

 

He deserves to get paid but he's not going to get CJ money from anyone.

Thats a good point.

 

From an overall leverage standpoint CJ had much more to go on. He was an unrestricted free agent coming after the lockout when then were several suitors with money to spend. At that point he was our entire defensive line as well.

 

Now Hardy is still under contract at the moment, has at least 1 capable backup behind him and a supporting cast that would make losing him pale in comparison to us losing CJ did at the time.

 

It's just really going to boil down to what hes willing to settle for and how much he wants to be a panther.

 

Id imagine his biggest goal is to get a good size signing bonus but or have a big chunk of his salary guaranteed,

 

So a huge signing bonus only benefits the team if we can spread it out over the course of 4-5 years.

 

Heres what I think would be a happy medium, give him 12.5 signing bonus and fully guarantee his base salary year 1.

 

5 year 43.5 million dollar deal with 12.5 million signing bonus(guaranteed).

Year 1 salary 5 Million fully guaranteed +2.5 signing bonus = 5.5Million Cap hit

Year 2 salary 3 Million + 2.5 signing bonus= 5.5 Million cap hit

Year 3 salary 3.5 Million +2.5 signing bonus= 6 Million cap hit

Year 4 salary 9 Million +2.5 signing bonus= 12.5  Million cap hit*****we can cut him for a 5 million hit at this point and spread it out over 2 years or extend him again to a more cap friendly deal.

Year 5 salary 10 Million + 2.5 signing bonus = 13.5 Million cap hit.

 

 

Why it works for Hardy: because by season's end he will be 17.5 Million dollars richer. Plus he would make another 6.5 in years 2 and 3. Basically paying  24 million over 3 years and the chance to strike it rich one more time at the age of 28.

 

 

 Why  it works for Gettleman/team/fans: By year 4 we can decide to cut him and only be on the hook for 5  Million in dead money that could be prorated over 2 years if we decide to cut him OR we can choose to extend him to a more cap friendly deal. It will also keep him motivated to bust his ass so that he land that next contract or if nothing else make 19 million over the final 2 years.

 

So in an essence  it is a 3 year deal for 24 Million that will keep him motivated to prove he's worth 1 other fat contract down the road. We get to have him for at least 3 years without ever having a cap hit that exceeds 6 million over that 3 year term.

 

 

Thoughts?

[French Navy]

I would post this as a new thread if I could.

 

I haven't seen this linked yet: Prisco on Greg Hardy  Only click if you are ok with an article drawing conclusions from picture of Hardy's butt. The one he likes to post on twitter.

[carpanfan96]

Deal from year to year can't move more then 30%. So going from 3.5 to 9 won't work, it would be an invalid contract. He'd have to make more in year 2-3 then above. With a deal like that your also looking at about 24 million guaranteed. Considering he can make 28 in 2 seasons with franchise tags I doubt he would bite with out more then 50% being guaranteed.

[panther4life]

Deal from year to year can't move more then 30%. So going from 3.5 to 9 won't work, it would be an invalid contract. He'd have to make more in year 2-3 then above. With a deal like that your also looking at about 24 million guaranteed. Considering he can make 28 in 2 seasons with franchise tags I doubt he would bite with out more then 50% being guaranteed.

Thanks, was unaware of this. Looked to good to be true when I looked at that structure.