Greg Hardy DPOW X 2.......domination defense 5 x this year

[Monday Night Shyamalan]

And you place too much emphasis on "Sacks" there is a difference between pressure and sacks. Hardy goes 100% every play if he doenst get the sack than he pressures the QB. Thats the kinda guy you want and not a guy that takes plays off or even stays hurt and he can play some DT and still be a force. Hardy is a luxury point blank for a DE. PFF backs this up every week as well. You say 31 teams would take Keek but those same 31 would take Hardy as well. Most importantly where did i say this was just about Hardy?  i could have sworn i said Kraken AND CJ. You are twisting my statement to help yours but anyway....Most of the time Any team building a defense is always gonna take a dominant DE over a MLB dont see how this is even arguable. We already had good DEs so we didnt fall in that situation. Glad we have Keek tho.

 

 

So based on that statement I'm guessing Keek doesn't go 100% every play? LOL, whats funny is I knew you were going to say "and you place too much emphasis on "Sacks" there is a difference between pressure and sacks." I didn't know we were talking about Hardy the DT?? Of course I know he's versatile, but as you so blatantly pointed out in your first point, you were exclusively talking about rushing the passer (I also do believe I said it's a luxury "point blank" to have Hardy on the team. Look at my last quote) in which I think we can still do without Hardy.

 

As for the "31 teams would trade for Hardy" thats just wrong. Currently, there are better DE's in the league then Hardy. Not saying he won't get there or become the best, but right now he's not.

 

I don't really feel like finishing this debate cause it's like talking to a wall. At the end of the day, my point is this ...

 

Keek is better, and I still think we can generate a pass rush without Hardy. Now carry on.

[CPF4LIFE]

So based on that statement I'm guessing Keek doesn't go 100% every play? LOL, whats funny is I knew you were going to say "and you place too much emphasis on "Sacks" there is a difference between pressure and sacks." I didn't know we were talking about Hardy the DT?? Of course I know he's versatile, but as you so blatantly pointed out in your first point, you were exclusively talking about rushing the passer (I also do believe I said it's a luxury "point blank" to have Hardy on the team. Look at my last quote) in which I think we can still do without Hardy.

 

As for the "31 teams would trade for Hardy" thats just wrong. Currently, there are better DE's in the league then Hardy. Not saying he won't get there or become the best, but right now he's not.

 

I don't really feel like finishing this debate cause it's like talking to a wall. At the end of the day, my point is this ...

 

Keek is better, and I still think we can generate a pass rush without Hardy. Now carry on.

 

And once again you missed the part where i said this was about HARDY AND CJ never just Hardy. Geez man.....you were right about talking to a wall this is pointless. Moving on.

[MadHatter]

I will settle this argument....anyone who would rather lose Keek than Kraken should just be kicked in the nuts.

That is all

[Floppin]

And once again you missed the part where i said this was about HARDY AND CJ never just Hardy. Geez man.....you were right about talking to a wall this is pointless. Moving on.

He's not the one changing the argument, you are. Your original premise was that Keek may not be the best player in the defense and by extension not the most important. You stated that Hardy was more important and now you've morphed it into some tandem DE combo being better than Keel by including CJ. Keep moving those goal posts buddy.

[Floppin]

Just noticed that Udogg made the original argument. Nah, I'm hungover

[CPF4LIFE]

He's not the one changing the argument, you are. Your original premise was that Keek may not be the best player in the defense and by extension not the most important. You stated that Hardy was more important and now you've morphed it into some tandem DE combo being better than Keel by including CJ. Keep moving those goal posts buddy.

I did?

 

See much as i love Kuechly the logic in this just doesnt add up. Yes he is a once in a while player, but in a passing league How good is this defense without pass rushers?

 

 

This defense could be pretty bad without Johnson and Hardy. I just havent convinced myself yet that Kuechlys impact is bigger than them i love Kuechly.

 

My first post. Yeah either you cant read or you definitely are drunk.

 

Obviously our source of contention is the value we place in both players. You would rather have the Kraken, I would rather have Keek. Your point can go both ways, you basically said if we didn't have Hardy we would be out of the playoffs. In the same way, if we didn't have Keek, I doubt we would be in the playoffs.

 

As Gruden said, 31 GM's would trade their MLB for Keek. He is what makes our D tick and the players comments have backed that up. Without Hardy, I believe we can still generate a solid pass rush.

 

As for this quote, "Brees made Keek Luke human when we  couldnt get to him the first time we played. Keek has actually given up a big plays when we have played good Qbs he cant do it without help" since you place such an overall emphasis on the pass rush, I do believe Hardy has had numerous games without a sack, I call that 'Luke human'. 

Yeah i made this all about Hardy. Yall got me lol....Moving along with life now.