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Will someone smarter than me answer this Hardy franchise tag question?


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It seems most think that the Panthers will tag Hardy this offseason due to the cap situation. Now I'm not very cap smart, but I don't see how this helps at all. IIRC, the franchise tag on a DE is about $16M. So if he's tagged, that's $16M we're paying heady next season that's not going towards a long term contact. If we can afford to pay the man $16M next year (I'm pretty sure we can't) wouldn't it be smarter to put that towards a long term contract? Maybe there's something I'm missing.

Also, there seems to be a lot of talk about a tag and trade. When we were going through this with Peppers, I seem to remember the idea of a tag and trade being mentioned, but not being talked about as much. I seem to remember reading that due yo the CBA, you couldn't tag with the intention of trading. Tag and trades happen, but I thought I read it had to be a trade that was proposed after the tag. Obviously it's difficult to enforce, but it seems like there's more open discussion about it. Did that change or do I just remember incorrectly?

Thanks.

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You're right.  The tag doesn't help us with the cap.  The tag is all salary and cannot be prorated over life of the contract.  If we did sign Hardy to a long-term deal, good chance the 2014 cap hit is significantly less than the hit under a franchise tag.

 

In a nutshell ... If we put an exclusive tag on him and he signs with another team, we get 2 first-rounders.  Unlikely that will happen.  If we tag him and work out a trade, the other team will agree in principle with his agent on a long-term deal before pulling the trigger.  Under that scenario, we won't get 2 first rounders but will get something for him. 

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