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Billy Turner at 28? --edit (at 60?)

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Sorry for the bump, but I only do one mock a year so I put some research into it, and according to a few searches; Billy Turner gave up a big fat 0 SACKS last year at LT... just saying. Now I know he played at NDSU, but it's damn sure is impressive when you don't get best even once in an entire season at any level.

I wouldn't take him at 28, but I would bet that he will be gone sometime in the second round.

 

 

already liked him a lot, didnt know about him not giving up a single sack for the entire season. that is impressive as hell. 

 

with his measurables id take him at 28 in a heart beat. 

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I'm asking this not so much because he likely won't be there come round 2 IMO but rather if we think he's a future LT, does that make him 28th pick worthy?

I have only read great reviews about the kid and he can possibly play at a foundational position for an offense in the NFL.

Whatsayyou?

 

He is an interesting prospect. I am somewhat concerned of the level of talent he has faced but it is not like others have not overcome coming from a small school. 

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Sorry for the bump, but I only do one mock a year so I put some research into it, and according to a few searches; Billy Turner gave up a big fat 0 SACKS last year at LT... just saying. Now I know he played at NDSU, but it's damn sure is impressive when you don't get best even once in an entire season at any level.

I wouldn't take him at 28, but I would bet that he will be gone sometime in the second round.

Yeah, he literally destroyed the competition at NDSU. I mean, he was on a different world than those other guys.

I'd take Turner before I took Cyrus, honestly. There's much less bust potential, from a medical seven year outlook. I'd also take him over Moses, who I think is the most overrated prospect at the back end of the first.

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28 no, 60 yes i wouldnt mind. at the senior bowl, he got beat consistently and struggled with rushers who go from speed to power. he does have good feet, and plays with the nastiness coaches love, but he has some of the worst technique in a top ranking OT.that bad technique leads to sacks, and i have seen some claim he should be a OG because of his feet, run blocking skills, and bad technique.

 

i would try him at RT 1st.

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28 no, 60 yes i wouldnt mind. at the senior bowl, he got beat consistently and struggled with rushers who go from speed to power. he does have good feet, and plays with the nastiness coaches love, but he has some of the worst technique in a top ranking OT.that bad technique leads to sacks, and i have seen some claim he should be a OG because of his feet, run blocking skills, and bad technique.

 

i would try him at RT 1st.

 

you got something to back that up? 

 

i thought he did well at senior bowl. 

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you got something to back that up? 

 

i thought he did well at senior bowl. 

 

 

Eric Galko: North Dakota State offensive tackle Billy Turner struggled with his leverage and blocking posture throughout the practice, but really stood out with his hand strength strike. At tackle, he displayed adequate foot speed but he’ll need to correct waist-bending issues.

 

 

Josh Norris: Billy Turner will get yelled at for tech, but his functional strength is great. Like that he’s getting snaps at G too.

 

 

Lance Zierlein: Jaguars offensive line coach George Yarno got into Turner with a butt-chewing a couple of times as Turner failed to execute basic functions of the one on one drill.  Turner bounced back with good one on one pass pro reps against Deandre Coleman and Brent Urban and handled himself well in the scrimmage portion at tackle and guard.  I’m excited to see how Turner continues to progress under the watchful eye of Yarno.

As you can see, it wasn’t all positive for Turner. Michael DiRocco of ESPN thought Turner had a hard time with some speedy SEC edge rushers in one-on-one drills, but he chalked that up to the step up in competition and a long layoff.

and when they did the live look in, Turner did get beat several times by DEs with counter moves especially Ford. Ford would get up field with his great speed, but counter with a bull rush, converting speed to power and knocking Turner off balance to get to the QB(bean bag). he could start off at RT, until he gets his technique fixed.

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and when they did the live look in, Turner did get beat several times by DEs with counter moves especially Ford. Ford would get up field with his great speed, but counter with a bull rush, converting speed to power and knocking Turner off balance to get to the QB(bean bag). he could start off at RT, until he gets his technique fixed.

 

I am talking about the actual game, not the practices.

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I am talking about the actual game, not the practices.

The real evaluation is made during practices by scouts, and not the game. Hence why most evaluators leave the day before the game because they already seen what they want. They may watch the tape of game, but most is done during the week.

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It's a pretty well known fact that Turner is way better at pass protection than he is at run blocking, why you would want him to play right tackle (the side we run to the most), is beyond me.

The quote used even said that he did well in one-on-one pass protection drills.

I actually heard he was a good run blocker and will struggle in pass protection vs some DEs.that same quote you are referring to also said he struggled with pass pro as well.the jags ol coach even had to get on him about his technique.

Plus his feet and run blocking skills make some want him at OG. If he couldn't run block, I don't think they will be talking about putting in that position.

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I actually heard he was a good run blocker and will struggle in pass protection vs some DEs.that same quote you are referring to also said he struggled with pass pro as well.the jags ol coach even had to get on him about his technique.

Plus his feet and run blocking skills make some want him at OG. If he couldn't run block, I don't think they will be talking about putting in that position.

Interesting, I'll have to do some more research. I have read that he does get upfield well during running plays, I just haven't seen him hold his block really well on running plays designed to his side.

Also, his pass protection was really good against Kansas State. I definitely recommend watching that tape, he was phenomenal. He recorded 10 knockdowns and graded out with a 96 percent rating against the Wildcats.

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Interesting, I'll have to do some more research. I have read that he does get upfield well during running plays, I just haven't seen him hold his block really well on running plays designed to his side.

Also, his pass protection was really good against Kansas State. I definitely recommend watching that tape, he was phenomenal. He recorded 10 knockdowns and graded out with a 96 percent rating against the Wildcats.

Half way thru watching his cut ups of this game and he has at least 3-4 pancakes and 3-4 where he drives the guy at least 5 yards down the field. Pass pro looks decent at times, but he also bends at the waist a lot. NFL DEs are going to kill him with leverage because some times he stands straight up while kick sliding.
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