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Yeah, you would hope so. I am not gonna count too many of those chickens yet. Too many questions about this front office overall. It's been so bad for so long that they are going to have to do a lot of good work to get complete faith back or even partial faith.

This is where the old "past results are no guarantee of future performance" disclaimer comes in. If Bryce does indeed manage to become a consistent good quarterback, nobody's gonna give a sh-t about his first two seasons. If he doesn't, nobody's gonna care about his stretch of good performances this season. I know what I'm expecting, but truth is both those options are equally possible.

If Brees third year wasn't fantastic, I don't really know what your measurement for fantastic is but it's very likely Bryce will never achieve that in his career.

Yes but his career winning percentages show that he almost exclusively chokes, especially when compared to Murray. Now, there is some nuance to all that, for certain but Bryce doesn't win often has been his entire career. It's not like Murray has been on a franchise that is known for stability either, for that matter.

Honestly just sounds like cautious optimism to me... (something which I'll happily embrace over the feelings we had late in some of our prior seasons )

And you just brought up what Bryce haters do, while ignoring his apologists love to throw three entire years out like it doesn’t count. When two and a half entire seasons you’ve thoroughly proven you are the 32nd of 32 starting QBs, a couple good games are the exception, not the rule. Even for this year, he’s had a couple good games and a whole lot of stinkers, which follows the rule he has set over his entire tenure.

I'd like to think this season's improvement could help us out some when free agency rolls around.

what's actually hilarious is this Phillip Rivers thing. It's either gonna be the coolest thing ever, or the most tragic. There is no in-between LOL

Would you rather compliment Sean Payton?

Boy, there's an epitaph...

Man. These incessant and insane Drew Brees comparisons are enough to turn an average calm person into Colonel Stinkmeaner from The Boondocks. Drew Brees actual 5th season of playing football he won a Super Bowl BTW. Again. It legitimately disgusts me that we have to basically compliment Drew Brees in order to bring rationality to this foolishness.

Maybe so, but stats don't...oh wait

How many people outside this board do you think would pick Chubba and banged up Rico ovwr Alvan Kamara? At this stage of the season, and operating in the real world rather than off of a spreadsheet, they outperformed us in direct competition and just beat the team leading the division. Is our OL banged up? Sure. So is theirs. Is anybody gonna make any allowances for that? Maybe say "You know what? You guys take some time to heal and we'll play when you're at full strength" Kinda doubt it. Where we rank over a season's worth of stats doesn'tnmean sh-t when the teams take the field.

Drew Brees’ third year wasn’t fantastic. In fact, his fifth year is statistically on par with Bryce 2025 season.

Well, until he got stabbed by a 69 year old man defending himself from being assaulted. Now he's the butt fumbler who was nearly killed by a 69 year old man while being a drunken asshole. Just when you think your legacy has hit rock bottom... LOL

As an aside, I think there's a pretty good argument to be made that "late career Cam" was a better on field version of him (minus the injury aspect). Perhaps the most accurate way to put it is that Norv Turner coached Cam was a better quarterback than Mike Shula coached Cam.

Outside noise is basically why there weren't 20 plus teams going after Deshaun Watson. Sanders "outside noise" isn't as serious, but it's also less likely to go away because he's related to it

Yep. The Golden Calf of Bristol, Kaepernick, late career Cam, Shedeur's draft slide... they all come down to the reality that teams don't want a distraction out of a guy they see as a likely a backup QB. And instead of the media acknowledging their major role in that situation, they just double down and make it worse and confirm teams' suspicions that yeah... not worth it.

"Overachieved" might be a bit of a stretch... You can name a lot of guys who've had great moments but mediocre at best careers, and that's what I believe will ultimately happen with Shedeur. Right now, he's achieved a success level roughly equal to that of Dameyune Craig.

got to think Evans rushing back isn't a good thing, unless this is his last hurrah (which I guess that's been hinted at)

I can't speak for anybody other than me on that. For the record, I absolutely want someone to compete with Bryce. As far as the statistical argument, even accepting that as authoritative (I don't, but you know that) you're still making two mistakes here: 1) A player's career stats aren't a good metric to judge how good they are right now. 2) Too small a sample size can very easily be misleading. Lastly, why are people "so fired up about it"? Again, I can't speak for others, but for me it's simple... I don't think he's anything special. And others may indeed feel the same without necessary having any nefarious ulterior motives.

But that's just an opinion essentially based upon three games---basically nothing. As for "great" career, that's in the eye of the beholder. I'd say that if he becomes a starter or even a high end backup, that may not be great, but it would be good. If he ends up a long term starter, then that is pretty great. But I could argue that less than a dozen QBs have had "great" careers for the last 50 years. It's just a matter of definition. There are certainly a number of QBs drafted higher than Sanders and with much higher expectations that have ended up as backups or out of the league altogether. If he has any kind of staying power, he's already overachieved according to many.

So...yeah, the snark and whataboutism really just works as a dodge here. So is the, but did it win us this game rhetoric or stats don't always tell the truth (because that not actually in play in this specific convo) So again, I'll lay it out one last time....are you actually willing to argue for the sake of arguing the Saints RBs in 2025 are better than ours? and their OL? Is that what you are doing here.

I think outside noise was a MASSIVE factor. Teams don't want it. And it gets really hard to have it for anyone that isn't your star player. I do think for example, if Skip Bayless didn't exist and that circus....NFL teams would have loved the utility player/locker room presence of a The Golden Calf of Bristol after he flamed out as a starting QB. Same thing. But he basically was deemed unsignable because a Taysom Hill role player can't be taking up the air waves/oxygen , press conferences and be a national spectacle every single day for a coach/staff to deal with. I mean, Saunders is literally a walking reality TV show

Mike Evans looks to be back tomorrow https://x.com/gregauman/status/1998793067969786075?s=46&t=RpRteCiOHsmjthnKJkS5fg