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Well, you aren’t really joking there but at the same time, talent will out. Cam in our case. Manning. All the guys that people pointed to when Bryce sucked his first year, and said they struggled too… It is such a crap shoot.. but better than it was before they slotted the pay into a reasonable stratosphere. Talk about killing your franchise paying the equivalent of modern day 50-60 million per, to a green rookie….

The issue is that being slow or unable to read the field is the toughest of all hills to climb in the NFL for a QB. There is an overflowing graveyard of former QB's you have to climb over to get to the very few success stories in that realm. It is not impossible for him to figure it out but it is HIGHLY improbable that he will. The odds there are so incredibly low.

Dalton 300+ both XL and Tmac over 80

PS....maybe.

Yep and I can feel it about to happen to us.

The supply and demand reality is a big part of the issue but so are teams willingness to overpay even with the obvious issues it raises. They make their profit win or loss and it shows. Arizona hasn't been a contender for most of Murray's career but they keep him around because of supply & demand AND the fact that the owner wins regardless so why not hide behind s&d while keeping the norm going? No reason to play it the hard way, let a guy walk to be overpaid and then find a cast off that can be put in an overall better situation. Too much gamble when the house wins anyways.

It was tongue in cheek. I swear if you didn’t know you would think this place is infested with miserable Eagles fans

Okay. I mean we are just discussing. I never saw Tua as being really a valid guy in tne league. But I am prejudiced against Alabama QBs because of their basic mediocre track records stepping up to the NFL so zi was probably predisposed and biased. But still correct. FWIW Bryce was such a physical outliee Bama didn’t really enter my thinking. It never became a factor for me. Anyhow Murray was kind of a toy, by my standards and not a guy I would have been excited by. Then it got to the contract clause of mandating film study and the game was lost right there. Why would you pay a guy you thought needed the stick instead of the carrot? I am just a tools first guy, for gaining admittance to move into the more thorough evaluation phase. It won’t change. I just have always been you have to meet the threshold physically before we consider your other areas of potential as a pro. Which I believe Jones passed that threshold. And has shown some flashes. Sure is doing it this year. The contention about what how pressure of a big contract might affect his performance, how the roster might lose a player or two two due to his salary precluding paying them, that is something else. If he continues to compete at this level like he is so far, I would put money on someone paying him though. And we will see what happens. oops forgot about Darnold. I saw it in him in late ‘22. The ability and him being on the cusp of getting it. He has lived up to the prove it deals, zi don’t know what they gave him in Seattle but it seems to be a good choice so far…

Well let's be honest here. The Jets was probably the absolute worst place for Fields to go and try and resurrect his career. Sure they have solid offensive players but that place is known for being QB Purgatory. Same with us and the Raiders.

I think it will be close. Won’t be a blow out. Their pass defense is Top 3 but their rush defense is the worst other than the Cowboys. If Canales will feed Rico and use that to set up Dalton on deep play actions we can move the ball. Defensively, I’m not worried about Cook. We just have to keep Allen contained. The only person I think can do that is Moehrig, if he can give him the old Thomas Davis/Mike Vick treatment. This is probably a 28-23 or 31-27 type game either way.

I would not pick him up if he was a FA.

I don't think it's an overpayment issue. That's just the market. It isn't new at all. The overwhelming majority of big QB contracts are for average to good QB's. That's because there are so incredibly few elite QB's. Almost every position has the same issue. The elite guys pull prices up into the stratosphere and the market adjusts.

Hustons oline was not their problem last night. Stroud was seeing ghosts.

Tampa lost Mike Evans for the season (well, "most of the season") in last night's game. He's always been an impactful player when we've played the Bucs.

I didn't want anything to do with Anthony Richardson but if the net result would have been a pivot this quickly away from a bad draft pick, sign me up.

That's true. I did actually mean the FO but that's a fair point.

A guy like Jones at average pay is going to not work out IMO. The 20 million difference to spend elsewhere is too large of a hurdle when the QB plays good but not carry the team good. They are in the sweet spot currently at cost to value with him. Darnold is pretty much the same. Good in a limited role but lean on him and he will fold. Tua didn't beat good teams when it had to be on his back to be the difference, and that was true when his team was stacked. All of Murray's talent has resulted in 1 winning season for them and 1 wildcard loss. The NFL has an overpaying mediocre QB issue. At the right price it's not an issue but can be a positive. It inevitably leads to a worse roster which becomes a poo show. NY gave up their RB because they paid Jones and proved that. The first is most likely leading to the second. Baker is bucking that trend but he was always the best of any of that group, even if his time here was pretty much the worst setup possible.

If you only factor passing, there is a VERY mild argument Dalton is more efficient but it's ignoring the threat Cam was as a big play literally every snap. With his feet OR through the air. Dalton was never that type of player. I would say Dalton over 200 is a very safe bet.

I just told you why. You don’t want to accept my contention. Your right People want to portray Frank as incompetent and a bad coach and bad judge of talent to bolster their Bryce excuse making for that first year. But Frank did not want him, and once he was saddled with him he tried to get them to sit the kid so he wouldn’t be embarrassed and could maybe learn and get a little more ready. He was not the bumbling idiot that many people portrayed him as. He was a fine judge of QB talent that had worked with some of the best. You will not easily fool a guy that played that position in tne league for many years and coached some great QBs, knowing full well what it takes to play the position in the NFL. You can debate his schemes all you want that is a different skill set from evaluating a player I mean, they didn’t fool me and Frank is like 1000 times more capable of making that determination than I am. It was cake for him. I see it as he found himself surrounded and outnumbered and went with the program as best he could. If you knew that everyone you work with (and you are new) had their minds made up - would you die on the lonely hill of dissent or would you just write the name down that you knew they were going to write down, and try to make it work? That is what I will believe he did until he corrects me.

JJ Jansen

They have been over the past few years, we just don't get them or royally fug it up(Mayfield). The common denominator is that we suck at it. A lot.

Heinicke or DTR would be my choice

Bro, some of us grew up in or around (within 70 minutes) of Uptown Charlotte. There is no “fuging off” to become a fan of another team. Some people here are probably just casual fans driven by colors or something, and yes, those people can do whatever they want.

A non-CTE Tua wouldn't be atrocious. But, it isn't a guy I want a Tua sized contract attached to.