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At least Rivera got the Super Bowl, and then lost is because he refused to adjust. Rod’s likely will never get to the Stanley Cup unless the team he coaches is stacked and can overcome Rods weird decisions making.

Reddit has one of the most toxically positive fan base. You cannot criticize the team at all. If you do downvoted.

We've literally seen him hop around the pocket to survey the field in multiple occurrences. Defenses have this on tape. Cam and QB's like him built the way he was height and strength wise could get by on those natural gifts in their prime. Bryce Young is unequivocally going to have to go above and beyond with his footwork in order to carve out not just a long career but an elite career worthy of a top overall draft selection. We should be able to wholeheartedly agree with one another on that. Intermediate sideline throws without placing the ball out of bounds where the receiver has to contort themselves or make an absurd acrobatic catch for it to be a completion. And yes developing a better chemistry in the deep passing game with his receivers to avoid miscues. Both areas will need to see improvement if the young offense is to develop the way we hope in 2025. And we don't necessarily need to be winning mind you. But development of the supporting cast requires this from Bryce. We have invested a ton of capital in the offensive line. We've invested heavily in WR. We've invested in our backfield. We've invested in TE. We've got a young up and coming offensive minded head coach. The expectation should be for our redzone efficiency to improve significantly. That is not just on Bryce Young. But at the end of the day it will always begin and end with him more often than not. It's always been that way and that's just the nature of the position in this league. And not for nothing but before we drafted Bryce Young nobody was going around here saying we need elite play across the board and top shelf coaching for him to be effective. His biggest selling point was his ability to succeed off script and make something out of nothing. We're certainly going to have to see that come to fruition. Now we wait.

I said years ago that RBA was another Rivera.

Honestly, for me, I actually don't care all that much about being the 1st overall pick and him living up to that selection. It's the trade we made to go get him that he has to live up to for me. You can't be even just an average starting QB after a trade like that, because if that's all we're getting out of it, we could have kept going with journeyman type of QB's or taken a shot on a Jalen Milroe type in the 2nd to get similar play but then have kept Moore and all those other draft picks to build around them.

Right now the lines I posted are accurate. Chatfield and Walker are both game time decisions. Nikishin is a healthy scratch as of right now.

I was told to pick a new team because the Canes don't need armchair coaches or fans that boo. I've lived in Illinois, Michigan and Texas along with NC and SC. So what team should I pick to watch? lmfao

I'm less concerned about Young getting hurt while rushing, because like you said, he doesn't take a ton of risks when he scrambles. I'm far more concerned that at his size, a crushing sack by a big DL might snap his body in half. But this topic is exactly why I'm not very high on Jayden Daniels long term outlook unless he drastically changes the way he plays. He basically looked like RG3 pt 2 out there last year, he runs with reckless abandon and doesn't protect himself from hits very well. If he keeps that up, he won't have a long career and/or he's going to miss significant chunks of time every season due to picking up injuries.

I think the "Top 10" classification is much more simple than people think, at least for me. Put every QB in the league into a re-draft of only QB's, does this player go in the Top 10 of that draft or not? If they do, they're a Top 10 QB, if they don't, they're not. And yes, things like age/contract would matter in a real QB draft, but in this instance things like that or future injury concern are thrown aside, essentially looking at it on a year to year type of thing as you're talking about a current Top 10 list.

Probably so but don't know if it's Smith or Nikishin getting the bump to a pairing though. They both skated on the fourth pair.

And we all know Cam also struggled as a passer at times, but he MORE than made up for it with what he brought to the running game. In one of my posts I also mentioned how if he was putting up Lamar like 75+ yards rushing on a weekly basis that it changes how to view the lower passing yardages. Cam might not have been averaging 75 yards a game, but he had more than a good amount of rushing yards and also holds the record for most rushing TDs by a QB in NFL history.

Im guessing walker will be out

Rod reminds me of a guy who will find a way of beating a video game and the minute he encounters something that makes him adjust he can’t do it. Also reminds me of Ron Rivera. Doesn’t matter if it isn’t working right now it will work eventually. I have come to the conclusion that Rod just is not a good strategist.

Not only play him but he's on PP2 line for tonight as well.

7-0 loss his dumbass is gonna play marrow

Well nikishin will get in if he doesnt so there's that

Team giving up in real time.

For what it's worth, there is a coaching connection here. During three of his years in Los Angeles, Panthers DC Ejiro Evero was a secondary coach on staff. As I recall (vaguely) Ramsey and Evero have each spoken highly of the other.

Extremely difficult (damn near impossible) to do a complete front office overhaul in a single offseason. On top of that though - and perhaps more important - you don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Not everybody sucks. (mind you, I do think this last move successfully rid us of one who did)

I think it's more related to the difference between proven talent and projected talent. Our proven talent is quite literally almost nonexistent. Our projected talent could be significantly more. Obviously, it remains to be seen how many DJ Moore's we get and how many TMJ's(not making this position specific, just giving examples of clear progression of careers and talent being realized versus not). This could be an exceptionally terrible, underwhelming, okay, fairly decent, surprisingly good, etc roster. All that has to play out on the field because our known entities in terms of above average caliber NFL players is paltry but most standards. All that digital bloviating to basically say, "Show me." As for Tepper, I genuinely don't think he has meddled that much less and I don't think he has stepped back. I think he just cleaned house of most of the people chirping about it internally while not making himself so publicly visible because he is very aware of the meme he has made himself and this franchise. IMO, he will continue to fug this franchise over because that is who he is as a person.

Glad im not watching... guessing walker out too

Also Walker is a game time decision. He might not be able to play tonight.

Power play lines PP1: Aho, Blake, Jarvis, and Svechnikov with Gostisbehere PP2: Hall, Kotkaniemi, and Stankoven, with Burns and Morrow

His footwork has been discussed at length, just like Cam's was--no argument from me there. What I'm asking for is a statistical indicator that supports the idea that Bryce's footwork is creating meaningful issues. With Cam, we could clearly correlate occasional high passes to footwork problems. With Bryce, there are occasional misfires as well, but we aren't seeing it surface with the frequency of severity you'd expect if it were such a persistent issue. That's why when concerns about his footwork and height are paired together, there should be some measurable statistical impact. That's what I keep coming back to. That same inconsistency shows up in the deep ball critique. Saying "he misses guys outright" suggests he either isn't seeing them or can't hit them downfield... yet, as we've already seen, he was top-10 in catchable passes over 20+ yards. If accuracy were truly the issue, it should reflect in the data. It's also worth pointing out that deep-ball concerns largely became the next talking point after he made it through the season without the durability disaster some were predicting (despite being sacked for what was then the second-most times ever for a rookie QB). As for those sideline throws you mentioned: what specific throws are you referring to? If you can identify them, I'd be happy to pull up the PFF premium grades or grab All-22 clips from NFL Pro to look at those sequences and assess how real that concern is. For my part, I'd actually like to see improvement in the intermediate game. That was a strength his rookie year, but he seemed to trade it for a stronger deep game this past season. Could that shift relate to height and footwork? Maybe! But again... we'd need data or film trends to verify that rather than assume it. On the "top-10" classification front: I know that it's a moving target for most people. That's why I've been asking for specifics. Without a shared definition, it's hard to engage meaningfully. So with you moving away from raw yardage, does that mean your preferred KPIs are now height, weight, red zone efficiency, and point differential? If so, that's totally fine (just being clear about it helps). That said... red zone success and point differential depend heavily on OL play, WR execution, coaching decisions, defense (for point differential), etc. They're influenced by the QB but not exclusively determined by him... which, like passing yards, makes them more difficult to isolate for analysis of Bryce's performance.