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Jake Delhomme was also undrafted.

I would have to disagree. PJ Walker didn't accidentally end up with a 54.6% career completion percentage and a 1:2.7 TD to INT ratio by accident. PJ had some of the worst field vision we have ever seen in the history of this franchise.

I will say that Bo Nix has been better than expected but if you watch him play, there is not a gulf between him and Bryce. That's also a fairly pedestrian armed QB. He just has the big advantages of a far better roster and an overwhelmingly better HC. Not trying to take away the credit he deserves for arguably being the best QB in that class so far, just saying he pro has the best situation, as well.

He's a fifth round pick and a nickel corner, pro bowl expectations is kinda weird. He does have an int return for td this season so it's not like he's been invisible

This is so messed up and gross.

If you have the chance to get a corner the caliber of Asante Samual you do it, even if you think highly of your CB room. Chau Smith Wade shouldn't be the reason you don't sign him

Nobody wants to wait a year on drafting a QB, but that's what you have to do sometimes. If you don't like your hand, sometimes you have to fold and wait for the next one. The error is thinking that every hand must be played. We forced our own hand by deciding it was QB or bust in 2023. Don't make the same mistake again being eager to replace Bryce.

Per NFL NGS(can only gather data on the QB with the most snaps, so there will be a very small variance) for 20+ yard targets per game: Baker(2023): 4 Dalton(2024-2025): 2.3 Young(2024-2025): 3 So there is a modest improvement from Young to Baker. Not sure one more target a game is what everyone is looking for. I didn't compare over success rate(I can do that, if desired). I would imagine that could change the difference quite a bit but, again, that's more on the QB and not so much the offense. I still believe this IS the offense.

Drake Maye has been a revelation. Crazy to think the MVP race includes Drake Maye, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, & Matt Stafford right now. Allen & Mahomes are always there by default, but those 4 - it's hard to say it doesn't sting. Maye being a lifelong Panthers fan, (2) ex-Panthers QBs, and one a guy we tried to trade for lol

Totally. They had a guy starred on their boards that made it in trade worthy range. The risk was totally worth it. Our case was the classic of a franchise not having a QB, do what you can to get one. That often results being thrust into a bad situation, putting crazy pressure on 1 guy, and it becomes even worse when he's not that great. But if we find ourselves just a few spots behind a guy we really like, I don't see a problem. We just have to see how the season shakes out and enjoy this roller coaster. It's not pretty at times but we somehow are 5-4 haha. If Bryce turns a page and cranks out some truly QB driven wins, then maybe we do consider just rolling with him and a Dalton replacement in 2026. Someone like a Jarrett Stidham/Tanner McKee. However, if he stays mostly the same (whether we fall apart or he struggles on/off but we still win some), I think you have to leave to door open for a QB in the draft. Scout and meet with the top ones, see if any really fit what D&D want. Maybe that guy could be Mateer. Who knows

I lived in that area for a minute, and 2 decades of BB and Brady made them delusional. They think everyone is the 2nd coming of Brady and they're just on a short coffee break til the next dynasty.

Bryce Young hasn't cleared 200 passing yards in a single game in that window. Meanwhile, Rico Dowdle has put together the greatest 5 game stretch of rushing production in Panthers history. And RBs have sort of been our thing, so there is ample competition. This team hasn't been lead by Bryce Young in that stretch. Those wins are simplistically 3 things. Schedule, Rico, and defense.

Hard to say but I think part of it is player development. But not every player will succeed in developing further in the NFL level. I think what may contribute to it, at least equally, is having the luxury to pick your guy. They didn't have to trade up and get Mahomes. They chose to based on the fact that they liked the prospect, the trade up cost, etc. It wasn't a forced move. It was a move they chose to make rationally and not based emotions.

2003 was a different time, man. And as mentioned before Jake was never expected to be a franchise QB, bryce was expected to be that and more. Funny enough, Jake's career passer rating is higher than Bryce's despite how favorable the league is to QBs now vs. when Jake played.

In all honesty, he should probably get that checked out. It might be (Arnold Schwarzenegger voice) "a tuuumaaa"

Ah yes, my bad. It's easy to forget those handful of games Frank coached. LOL

I've seen the comp a few times, and I feel there is a lot to it. Our situation is a lot like Kansas City was pre-Mahomes (without the HOF HC) Whether you like them or not, D&D are building something here. They had a strong draft. The team is slowly coming together, developing some identity, and has some decent blue chip parts. Brown, Horn, McMillan, and a good OL situation that we should keep fortifying every year. It's not much yet, but growing. Bryce is in that Alex Smith spot. A top draft pick, has never been overly impressive, but you can win games when he's safe with the ball. You're not winning because of him - maybe once in a blue moon. From time to time he's shown the ability to orchestrate some plays and lead drives. I just don't see anything that is like - "oh snap, yeah don't let him go, he's ours". He'll make a solid/good throw every now and again, but man, it is a struggle a lot of the time to watch. Some terrible performances to speak of, heck he's already been benched once during year 2. He should in no way preclude you from flirting with what else is out there. This is not a marriage. If you're in position (or trade range) for a guy you REALLY like come draft day, you shoot your shot. If we are in the draft process, and suddenly realize QB3-4 is a guy we really like, that's when you make a modest jump from like 16 to 11 or something like that. Just like the Bills did for Allen, like the Chiefs did for Mahomes. This is nothing magical that plants this franchise savior title on them, this is not some stupid trade-- it's an easy trade up to get a guy you like w/a big ceiling. It's all player dependent and coaching/development driven. If we don't like a QB, by all means fortify the front-7, get an awesome OLB or ILB prospect. But we're on year 3, you kind of know what you're getting at this point. Mostly sub-200 yard performances, low YPA, bad technique, poor mechanics, some decent stuff sprinkled in, but some bad turnover heavy ones that kill the team's momentum. Again, run with him if there's no complete disaster that happens the remainder of the season, but don't close the door on something better just because of the investment or debatable performances.

I don't really think they will functionally be better than Bryce. Especially in this offense. Baker's IAY/PA were 8.5 in 2023. Bryce is at 8.6 in 2024 and 6.5 in 2025. Dalton is at 6.7 in 2024 and 9.5 in 2025. So those numbers don't seem to indicate on the average that the targets are much deeper. I can take a look at 20+ passes/GM, if you want.

That was Frank the tank though. I don't know that DC wants to change his offense when another QB comes in. He probably needs an offseason. I think this thing is cooked up for what we have at QB and not what we want.

I would prefer to hear them say that he is playing at a pro bowl level, he's had so many INTs, etc. It's not necessarily a bad thing that they don't mention him but he was expected to have a breakout year and it seems like he is just having an average year.

I mean, you didn't contradict anything. I've said he is a bad QB. We went 4-3 with PJ Walker as the starter. The lone human that we have managed to win around in the Tepper era. Sure, he is a bad QB and turns the ball over.....but I already said he was a bad QB. His ceiling of good is higher than Bryce. That's true. Better tools and more threatening. There bads are comparable. Bryce just can settle in to a level of non-threatening and nothing play that PJ can't. He is more non-stop rollercoaster riding. But again, PJ is more fun to watch....with a higher ceiling. The fact is, if you are to accurately talk about the QB tier Bryce falls in.....the PJ Walker, Kyle Allen, types come into the convo. Which says all you need to say about Bryce.

Hell, it's not what he did here when Bryce missed games his rookie year and old but not yet completely washed Dalton took the field.

Giants have been hit hard too. Starting RB and #1 receiver down in an overall weak WR corps and yet the rookie QB is still showing promise.

Its not what they did in Seattle either.

Doesn't have to be a long-term solution. Just had to be better than Bryce. I don't think we've really seen Canales' offense yet. This isn't what he ran in Tampa. I think Canales wants to threaten defenses vertically we just don't have a QB that can do it.