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I would not pick him up if he was a FA.

I don't think it's an overpayment issue. That's just the market. It isn't new at all. The overwhelming majority of big QB contracts are for average to good QB's. That's because there are so incredibly few elite QB's. Almost every position has the same issue. The elite guys pull prices up into the stratosphere and the market adjusts.

Hustons oline was not their problem last night. Stroud was seeing ghosts.

Tampa lost Mike Evans for the season (well, "most of the season") in last night's game. He's always been an impactful player when we've played the Bucs.

I didn't want anything to do with Anthony Richardson but if the net result would have been a pivot this quickly away from a bad draft pick, sign me up.

That's true. I did actually mean the FO but that's a fair point.

A guy like Jones at average pay is going to not work out IMO. The 20 million difference to spend elsewhere is too large of a hurdle when the QB plays good but not carry the team good. They are in the sweet spot currently at cost to value with him. Darnold is pretty much the same. Good in a limited role but lean on him and he will fold. Tua didn't beat good teams when it had to be on his back to be the difference, and that was true when his team was stacked. All of Murray's talent has resulted in 1 winning season for them and 1 wildcard loss. The NFL has an overpaying mediocre QB issue. At the right price it's not an issue but can be a positive. It inevitably leads to a worse roster which becomes a poo show. NY gave up their RB because they paid Jones and proved that. The first is most likely leading to the second. Baker is bucking that trend but he was always the best of any of that group, even if his time here was pretty much the worst setup possible.

If you only factor passing, there is a VERY mild argument Dalton is more efficient but it's ignoring the threat Cam was as a big play literally every snap. With his feet OR through the air. Dalton was never that type of player. I would say Dalton over 200 is a very safe bet.

I just told you why. You don’t want to accept my contention. Your right People want to portray Frank as incompetent and a bad coach and bad judge of talent to bolster their Bryce excuse making for that first year. But Frank did not want him, and once he was saddled with him he tried to get them to sit the kid so he wouldn’t be embarrassed and could maybe learn and get a little more ready. He was not the bumbling idiot that many people portrayed him as. He was a fine judge of QB talent that had worked with some of the best. You will not easily fool a guy that played that position in tne league for many years and coached some great QBs, knowing full well what it takes to play the position in the NFL. You can debate his schemes all you want that is a different skill set from evaluating a player I mean, they didn’t fool me and Frank is like 1000 times more capable of making that determination than I am. It was cake for him. I see it as he found himself surrounded and outnumbered and went with the program as best he could. If you knew that everyone you work with (and you are new) had their minds made up - would you die on the lonely hill of dissent or would you just write the name down that you knew they were going to write down, and try to make it work? That is what I will believe he did until he corrects me.

JJ Jansen

They have been over the past few years, we just don't get them or royally fug it up(Mayfield). The common denominator is that we suck at it. A lot.

Heinicke or DTR would be my choice

Bro, some of us grew up in or around (within 70 minutes) of Uptown Charlotte. There is no “fuging off” to become a fan of another team. Some people here are probably just casual fans driven by colors or something, and yes, those people can do whatever they want.

A non-CTE Tua wouldn't be atrocious. But, it isn't a guy I want a Tua sized contract attached to.

Andy Dalton is still a better, and more efficient operator of the offense than Prime Cam in every year except 2015. We got to watch Dalton and Cam come along together and Andy’s numbers almost always blew Cam’s out of the water. It isn’t 2024, and we shouldn’t have to see Andy play from 24 down by the second quarter. You also have the emergence of Dowdle, Tet is playing well, XL seems to play better with Andy, and Canales has hit his groove. I wouldn’t be surprised if Andy threw for 220 and Dowdle had another 150 yards of total offense.

Dude, even if the Panthers go down 14, you don’t abandon the run game with Dowdle going against the Bills defense. Panthers aren’t getting a ton of national buzz right now but it’s not like the teams they have beaten are chumps. Shutting out the Falcons is massive, beating the Cowboys is not a small thing, going on a 27-7 run against the Dolphins isn’t nothing, going on a 19-0 run against the Cardinals with an opportunity to win it at the end isn’t nothing. I fully believe that the Panthers could be 5-2 right now if they don’t forget to play football in Arizona in the first quarter. The Bills are good, because of Josh Allen, period. He is all they have, and that’s very good but not good enough to beat good teams on the road. The media will blame him but I still think he’s the best QB in the NFL right now. Give him a Derrick Henry, give him an Andy Reid and all of those receivers, etc. and things would get absolutely insane.

Good qbs are just sitting on the couch all the time... /s

They built the right supporting cast and landed a great coach. Drafted the wrong QB but a guy like Jones is thriving. It’s fun to see

I think he will be better than healthy Bryce and considerably better than gimped Bryce. Just realize that's a low bar. Don't expect Prime Cam.

The Panthers run defense is, dare I say, good. If the Bills haven’t changed anything during the bye, the Panthers could easily win this game. If the Bills actually addressed their offensive issues when they can’t run the ball, they may win by 20. The thing is that they have done a poor job of building around Josh, in my opinion. His Super Man plays alone could keep the game close if they can’t run but, in the end, I actually think the Panthers win here. It’s a home game, Andy Dalton should bring some juice to the passing game. Their defense has holes everywhere and we have Dowdle and Canales going off in the running game. Give me Panthers, 27-24. Down 24-20 with 2 minutes left, Dalton finds 15 for a 38 yard touchdown with 22 seconds remaining but the Bills are forced to account for the run because the Panthers still have two timeouts. Bills get into FG range but miss a 57 yard attempt to tie the game. people begin to doubt Josh Allen without actually looking at what the Bills have put around him, and how their defense is just melting.

Why lie? At that point Young hadn’t played at all for us. It’s funny that people won’t believe the story we heard at 0% hot seat. They would rather believe what another huddle says he feels with 0 actual proof.

And what does that tell us, chat fam? No cap.

The Dolphins have far more issues than just Tua. I don’t think that Tua is a great NFL QB but his numbers when he’s playing well are unmistakable. Something is wrong with that program.

He (Woody Johnson) might be even worse than Tepper in regards to blatant meddling. Which is a Cat 5 level disaster.

Frank was there when Fitterer went on about it and yes, I believe what the GM says during a post draft interview when Young hadn’t been to a single practice yet. I typically believe what is actually said versus a gut feeling from a huddler. Same reason why I never believed Tepper did the scouting and came up with the point guard thing. Thomas Brown, the OC, was quoted about QBs as PGs 3 months prior which makes it far more probable that Tepper parroted what he heard from the coaches. Also at that point, Fitterer, who I never liked, had no reason to make excuses. We had the QB he so wanted and that everyone did. No reason to make anything up because Fitterer was also pretty well liked by the optimists in here. Back then, they were telling us why Burns shouldn’t have been traded. I still think Tepper sucks because it’s all been his hires so he’s to blame but man people can’t seem to get off the boogeyman, one guy did it all, thought process.