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I think Murray will not be short of opportunities if he gets released. If Justin Fields had so many suitors after how bad he was, Murray will get plenty. I think he is likely to go for a price that doesn't make a lot of sense unless we deem him THE QB, which I don't think I would be interested in. I'd even be wary to have him on a Geno Smith/Baker Mayfield/Sam Darnold level "dollar store" franchise QB price tag/length.

Kotkaniemi a healthy scratch again, after playing probably his 3 best games of the season in terms of physicality, playmaking and owning the face-off circle. Hmmmm....

There aren't many. Here are the close and maybes. Eagles: AJ Brown was a 4.49 guy and DeVonta Smith was supposedly a high 4.4 guy as a sophomore(he didn't run at the combine or his Pro Day, so this is going to be sketchy in general). Lions: Williams didn't run the 40(ACL injury, although he is likely a sub 4.5 guy on the eye test) and St. Brown was a 4.51 guy. Seahawks: Smith-Njigba was a 4.5-4.55 guy(didn't run at the combine, numbers from stopwatches at pro day) and Cooper Kupp ran a 4.62. Rams: Adams was a 4.56 and Nacua was a 4.57. 49ers: Jennings was a 4.72 and Bourne was a 4.68. Cardinals: Wilson was a 4.62 and Harrison Jr. is a complete question. The last recorded 40 time was in HS at 4.6. Likely he is faster than that but it's unknown how much.

XL needs to be out the door.

Yeah Murray is a freak! Small, fast and crazy arm talent. Doubt he'd come here for peanuts though.

Cupp is another 100 skill level player. If we think TMac and Coker are on that level right now, then that's just not being honest. And the Rams have always had a blazer out there that teams had to back up for. We have XL. But I agree, Bryce needs to take more shots deep.

Murray has talent and skill, but when I look at his game, he might as well still be the exact same qb he was at Oklahoma. I don't think he has grown, developed, blossomed, refined any skill at all over his NFL career. Maybe bad coaching, maybe bad player, probably some of both. I would still add him to the roster in place of Dalton. Having Dalton back there is like having no one.

There are a few guys on that list that are interesting to me, half have the makes bonehead plays but really talented downside. I don’t know why because I am not a fan but when I saw Murray I had a good feeling. If he didn’t have the no film watching rep he has I’d say bring him in. Play backyard ball for a year or two. He can sling it and can get away from people a lot better than what we have. There are a few others we’ll have plenty of time coming up to consider them.

Of course bro sucks. Only a handful of dead enders on here and especially Panthers Reddit think otherwise. Strangely it's helpful to see big media pointing out what a liability he is, because them doing the opposite most of the last three years has fooled a lot of low-information fans into thinking he's a legit starter.

Right... and Bryce Young has thrown it over defenders' heads with a rookie TMac and a 2nd year Coker. Both considerably slower than Muhsin. Speed matters. It's not always running past people straight down the field. A guy that can run routes and then blow by you is dangerous and will always need to be accounted for - usually with more than one DB.

That also the #1 offense in the NFL. And before DeVante they were lighting folks up with Puca and Kupp. top of the NFL receiving books is full of 4.5 guys

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Jake Delhomme threw it over people heads with freaking Mushin Muhammad. It happened because Jake was an aggressive downfield passer. NFL history is full of non-Tyreek Hill’s who got vertical.

Paging Cranky to refute reality again.

You prob did.

The man orchestrated an offense that scored 70 points led by a guy who is supposed to be Bryce Young's ceiling. Maybe he isn't cut out to be a head coach but he is a quality offensive mind no doubt. He won't be looking for work long.

Idzik is to Canales as Dalton is to Bryce. We aren't getting coaching upgrades unless someone over Dave forces it.

Forgive me for this length of this post, but it has some interesting data which proves what we have been harping on since Bryce was drafted in 2023. https://www.nfl.com/news/one-potential-fatal-flaw-for-every-team-in-2025-nfl-playoffs Biggest weakness: Passing attack Bryce Young had his most efficient game in more than a month in Week 18, posting 266 yards -- just the third time he hit the 250-yard mark all season -- with a TD and an INT, yet the Panthers still put up only 14 points against a Bucs defense that hasn’t exactly been stingy against the pass this season. Among 26 quarterbacks with at least 300 pass attempts, Young's -0.08 EPA per dropback ranks fourth-worst. The only other playoff QB in the negative is 42-year-old Aaron Rodgers (-0.4). Since beating the Rams in Week 13, Carolina has put up more than 20 points in a game once in four tilts. With the run game slowed -- Rico Dowdle averaging 3.3 YPC and Chuba Hubbard 3.4 over the past four weeks -- the Panthers need Young to deliver. The Panthers' offense ranks 27th in net yards per pass attempt and 22nd in passing first downs and 26th in passing yards. No other playoff team ranks below 20th in passing yards entering Wild Card Weekend. --- I wasn't familiar with the EPA stat so I decided to research it. What –0.08 EPA per dropback means EPA/dropback measures how much a QB increases or decreases his team’s expected points on each play. –0.08 means the Panthers are losing about 0.08 expected points every time Young drops back to pass. Over 35–40 dropbacks per game, that’s roughly –3 points per game attributable just to passing efficiency. That –0.08 EPA/dropback ranking signals that Young’s passing game has been one of the least effective in the NFL, not just below average. EPA per Dropback Tiers Very Poor –0.15 or worse Offense is actively sabotaged by the passing game Backup-level or rookie-in-trouble territory Benchable over a full season Poor (This is where we currently place with Bryce...so far) –0.10 to –0.05 Bottom-quarter NFL starter Drives frequently stall due to sacks, failed 3rd downs, or lack of explosives Can win only with elite defense/run game Below Average –0.05 to 0.00 Replacement-level starter Functional but inefficient Requires strong supporting cast Average 0.00 to +0.05 League-average starter Keeps offense on schedule Can win games without carrying team Good +0.05 to +0.10 Clear top-12 QB range Efficient on early downs and 3rd downs Sustains drives consistently Very Good +0.10 to +0.15 Pro Bowl–caliber season Strong situational mastery Makes surrounding talent better Excellent / Elite +0.15 or higher MVP-level impact Offense scores meaningfully more because of the QB Rare — usually only 3–5 QBs per year Bottom Line EPA is best thought of as: “How much does this QB move the scoreboard in the right direction when he drops back?” 0.00 = treading water +0.10 = consistently winning plays –0.08 = putting the offense behind schedule --- The stats above clearly show that are passing game is our biggest liability as a team. Until the coaches improve that element of the team, Carolina will not ever reach the status of a perennial contender

I can deal with playing poorly, just chalk that up to more Canales being a complete idiot. I cannot deal with him re-injuring himself. If you think I have been anti-Canales so far, wait until you see me if that happens.

Yeah. Find me another team in the NFL where their 2 best WRs run mid 4.5s. Speed ain't everything, but let's not act like it doesn't matter in coverage. The narrative has been that defenses creep up because Bryce can't throw over their heads. Nah, it's because our receivers are slow. Unless you want to count XL, Mingo and DJ Chark. But then that whole skill thing is thrown out the window. Edit: Actually the Rams don't have speed with Puka and Devante. But their skill levels are some of the best the league has seen. That's the only other team I can think of.

I can’t stand waffling. Trust your judgement and stick to your conviction. You get to change your mind one time with me lol. Flip or flop. We have guys in here that have been on off on off and back on. And posted hard about both viewpoints.

He will

Seems to me I remember calling his name as an available UFA a couple seasons back....

. Sunk cost fallacy is holding onto assets in the hope of recovering a return, rather than taking your losses and reinvesting them into something that may pay off. This is the exact opposite of sunk cost fallacy by keeping a failed asset.him be a second stringer for a year. ———— You he think he is a fallacy. You aren’t alone. I am a minority probably. I could say it differently. We have something invested in him, unless he is a locker room issue or bad teammate I am not calling him completely sunk. I would let him be a backup and let it play out some more and just see where everything goes. He has had good days and Dalton played he seems to be able to make it work, I just wouldn’t make that move right now. Demoted is fine, no argument.