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Hes been an elite passer his entire career, just on a poo det org. Would always be a "what if" if he actually came here. I dont recall the timeline but Stafford seems like the proto type qb that Joe Brady wanted to work with. A gunslinger that took chances unlike Teddy.

Ive always liked Stafford and thought he drew a poo hand going to Detroit but Id say that SB season was the aberration. But nitpicking aside - I just want the team to be on the playoff projection in November. After what weve been through, Ill take a season or two of not being irrelevant in early November.

I mean if you listened to the podcast you would see its not blind "hate" they kindof back up their opinions and Ruiz is a panther fan by choice so theres that

Not really, anyone who follows the ringer nfl knows what type of “analyst” Ruiz is.

Foles would be the aberation and yes Stafford is/was elite. His stats in the 2021 season kindof proves it. 4888 yards, 41 tds, 9 in the playoffs with a 70% completion. Yeah thats next level

From a talent perspective this is a W, but whose playing C?

Losing culture? Fits in great what you mean

Mrcompletely11 loves a podcast from a Bryce hater color me surprised

Would you really put Foles or Stafford on the elite list? They are(were) good, but elite? Throw in some guys who got there and lost and its a respectable list of QBs not named Brady and Mahommes

There was a time about 20 years ago when he wasnt considered a joke. He was always one of the better guests on Primetime with packman. Since then who the fug knows what happened to him. Its like he got concussed or something because he has clearly lost his mind

Chau Smith-Wade pulling up to training camp like...

Ive said all offseason I truly think by week 5 we know what we have in bryce, DC and this team in general. If we cannot get at least 2 wins in the first 4 weeks then oh boy it may be another long one

How does he still have a job? We all know this is not the first time he has done this

odd take

I dont think "game managers" make playoff runs in the modern nfl. And looking across the league I dont see many winning their division. You need elite qb play. Can bryce do it, sure maybe, has he done it, maybe in spurts so this year we shall see. ***and I guess its all relative to how you quantify the term "game manager" which to date he most certainly be.

The nightmare scenario

Fitz was also 6-3, with a bigger body, and fantastic all timer at going up for the ball (not that 89 wasn't but again the god given size factors). That could of had something to do w/ the targets. Also, when times got hard, Larry Fitz was the same dude for his team. Easier option. just glancing at the pass attempts by teams, Carolina edged AZ years than the other way around. I give Evans the edge too. 89 more entertaining than both though w/ the ball in his hands and just in general.

Ruiz is a known Bryce hater, and I despise using that word. He didn’t like Bryce as a prospect and he will die on that hill.

i believe in Joe Hendry

Its really wild to watch this part of the community boil down the success of the 2025 Panthers to whether or not BY9 busts or breaks out. Ill take middle of the road mistake free game manager that distributes the ball and orchestrates the offense. If we can get that with a D that doesnt put us in a 27 point+ hole every week the team can improve. Id love a deep post season run but honestly at this point Id be ecstatic about feeling like we could win every week. Jake is never going to get a yellow jacket but damn if he didnt make watching the team fun. eta: I think too many people are looking for an I told you so moment over their pre-draft "evaluation" of Bryce

I consider last year Bryce's rookie year.....and I expect some regression/D adjustment in his second season in Canales' O. Film is film. So yeah, I agree....he won't be the dude that opened up the year week 1 or closed the door week 17. We will get some dude in between it all most likely. Which IMO puts us in a really awkward no man's land with Bryce.

The question is which Bryce shows up game 1. Do we get week 2 (2024) Bryce, or week 18 (2024) Bryce? I will say that his progression after the benching last year was amazing. He literally got better every game - sans Dallas. Like every week he did something we hadn't seen him do before. And it wasn't luck, toss it up for grabs plays like Penix did against Carolina. Penix was just throwing the ball as hard as he could in the direction of a receiver and hoping they'd make a play for him. What we saw from Bryce was different. Decision making, reading defenses, recognizing blitzes and where they were coming from, knowing his hot, avoiding pressure and manipulating the pocket, throwing with anticipation, taking shots downfield, and running the ball surprisingly well. Stats don't always tell the story. Did he miss some throws that he should have made - sure did. But the clutch gene is strong with this one. One score game and Carolina has the ball with 2 minutes on the clock - I'm confident he'll give them a chance to win more than he doesn't.

I really like David Moore. He's a reliable WR. Smart, doesn't drop the ball and he's where he's supposed to be. Now, he ain't gonna route up a DB. He ain't gonna 50/50 ball a DB. He ain't gonna run by a DB either. But he runs a good enough route and catches the ball - definitely an NFL average WR. Every team could use a David Moore. Now if this receiving group can force Dan and Dave to let him go, then this team has come a long way since 2023. A LONG way. But I will say that Horn's speed is a big deal. They don't really have another guy with speed and quickness to blow the top off the defense and make guys miss in space after the catch, though he is still a rookie and hasn't done it in the NFL. If he and Renfrow push Moore out, then we might actually have something gents. Plus I see Renfrow as Thielen's replacement in 2026. I just don't think Coker is the reliable, move the chains guy like Thielen. Could be wrong.

david newton still doesn't have a clue. how long has he been doing this?