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The potential return on drafting a 1st round QB is so high, I'll never fault any team for picking one. It's the giving them a 2nd contract when they aren't that great that's the problem.

I get it's subjective and I said "PFF rated him as" one of the top deep ball passers during that time, which is an accurate statement. They are still a group of professionals that look at film and data in order to make their judgements/ratings. These people whose data has been incorporated into a lot of teams' staffs view Bryce's deep throws as some of the best in the league during that stretch. That tells me that he can probably throw a deep pass vs the Huddle's version of he is small and didn't do it his rookie year so he must not be able to. That and literally seeing him do it just makes me feel he is more than capable of doing so. Do you think PFF is skewing their opinion to prop up a QB in a bottom tier franchise? It's just another group's opinion and I feel is pretty respected around the league currently. It's not the gospel truth or anything.

I still remember how happy I was that gettlegut was not the GM once he picked Jones, that was a firing pick and well..... If not for the raiders drafting Clelin Ferrell, it was the biggest draft day mistake in the last 20 some years.

He had 251 passing yards. 3 passing touchdowns and 2 rushing touchdowns. All in all a very impressive game. Problem is I do not envision his rushing ability translating like that over the course of the upcoming season. Yeah it will be something to account for from time to time but one it's not sustainable and two you don't want to put his durability to the ultimate test against a motivated defender willing to take a penalty and a fine. And plus with our backfield. Two 1k yard rushers. That's what they're here for. Then we have a much improved WR room. That means Bryce has to elevate those passing numbers substantially. The fact of the matter is regardless of circumstances it did take him 23 games to surpass Kyle Allen's single season passing yardage from 13 games in 2019. And that is not a high bar by any means. Whatever QB tier Bryce ends up in from here amongst his peers this upcoming season when it's all said and done it will be with his arm.

I would take the giants roster over Panthers. Lawrence, 3 OLB/DEs, Thomas, and nabers. Lawrence is better than dbrown and Thomas is better than icky. Panthers don't have one edge that would start over those 3 not matter how people feel about burns. Id believe....I think I would take nabers over the whole WR group....Id need to think about, but I feel it is right or 50/50..... Now after the top 10, Panthers may have claim. Im just not that big of a NFL fan like past time to make a good case. I'd just take giants on their top talent. I will say this, if BY carries this team to the playoffs, he alone would flip this.

Looks like he ran out of real estate. He had 5 total TDs. As good as we have ever seen in Carolina? Looks like he is the only QB in our history with 3 passing and 2 rushing TDs and he tied a single game record of 5 TDs in one game with Cam and Beurlein. Throw in his 73.4% completions and zero turnovers, literally the ONLY thing you could argue against statistically is total yardage which was only 275. You may not agree with that statement (not 100% sure I do), but it's really not THAT wild...

I have for too long lacked giving good posting beers, fire, etc. Good post, its beyond prove it time and until then 30s is where they belong.

And 2/3 got monster 2nd contracts. Wild.

Yeah and it was a tough draft for QB's overall, in hindsight. Top 3 are Kyler Murray, Jones and Gardner Minshew. Not really blowing the doors off many with that class.

I think he did a solid job. Honestly I liked his post game interview the best. He gave himself a C and said he left a lot out on the field. That kind of attitude can carry him far.

This is lacking a fairly considerable amount of context. For one, Adams(age 22) started 12 of 16 games, had 38 rec, 446 yds and 3 TD's on 66 targets(18 less, with 2 less games started). The main thing missing here is that the top two WR's for Green Bay that year combined for about 2800 yds and 25 TD's. Now if you want to throw a more accurate dart at Adams, take a look at year two. This year the production was spread around considerably and Adams didn't stand out from that pack(pun not intended). So, if XL struggles mightily this season, I would probably keep that comparison in your quiver to counter argue. I would suggest that I don't think that scenario is probably very accurate for most HOF caliber WR's taken in the first round over the past 15 or so years. Adams was the 89th pick overall, as well. A little different hill to climb than XL, although not massively.

to clarify I am not referring to Will Levis. Not knowingly. I just made that up and tried to use a reasonable guesstimate of what else was done. That sounded in the ballpark. At one time I did look it all up and there were several teams that had much more successful days downfield. If that happened to be Levis' actual numbers than it's more of a lucky coincidence. If memory serves, it wasn't just Will Levis that brought the claim into question, it was SEVERAL teams had better days. and you are missing my entire point of the subjective nature of it all. If PFF employee Doug watched Bryce's film and then used his same unique subjective vantage point to grade all 31 other starting QBs. Then dumped into into a spread sheet, it would a subjective Doug take but at least it would be a level uniform subjectivity. The grades are done by various people. All watching and applying their own subjective view to a play. Everyone isn't going to grade incompletions out the same. Or completions. So when you dump it all into a spread sheet and hit sort.....it's not actually a statement of fact as portrayed. Which is why you sometimes get some head scratching stuff. I'm not reframing anything. I don't think. I just wasn't going to look it all back up so I was talking vaguely off the general issue I have with PFF and treating any random claim they make as the truth.

Jones got projected as the next Eli because they share a similar goofball, on the spectrum energy. That's my theory.

I didn't think underrated was the wildest statement. The passing and offensive command he showed in week 18 against Atlanta was as good as any QB that has ever played for this franchise. I mean THAT part is wild. Which plays into the overrated part. End of regulation I don't think he even hit 200 yards passing. I mean he had a very efficient day vs a weak defense. As good as we have ever seen in Carolina?

Again, looking at the film clarifies why the 2/4 is better than the 3/5, especially when that 3/5 was due to WRs making opponents miss. To clarify for those that are unaware: those stats are referring to Bryce Young and Will Levis. The game film showed how ridiculous it was to hyper focus on Levis' 3/5 for a TD because his completions were made wide open WRs that were running free vs. Bryce who made the more difficult throws AND was let down by a WR drop iirc. I don't think it's intellectually honest to try and reframe things like this specific example wasn't already ejected into the sun with prejudice.

Lol...hardly any rookie is gonna get playing time against starters in the pre season. So I guess there is nothing to evaluate for respective teams right? Makes sense i guess. Lol

Best bet imo. Last thing they want to do is have to protect Shedeur while still having to build the team. Let Flacco guide the ship and then give Shedeur the keys once they're eliminated. Of course, they could always do the Huddle-preferred method of forcing him into action because his last name is Sanders and that means he has to play hero ball.

Seems you shut a lot of that down. There basically is no comeback for this post. Good job! The I don't want to write this kid off but I am going to write this kid off posts and takes have been insane about XL.

That'd be my plan. Figure out which one of your rookie QBs has the most upside/potential and throw him out there once the season is basically over.

The media is going to overreact to his play because of his name. He did play solid against our backups. Stayed calm in the pocket and made some nice passes. I still think he can be a solid QB in this league, but it's just hard for me to dig too much into preseason. I'd consider putting him behind Flacco if I were the Browns and once they get eliminated playing him to see what they have in him.

Only because Evaro was forced too, before last year he had some ridiculously low blitz %% Saying his blitzes are not creative is an understatement... Plus I think it was agaist greenbay? 3rd and 2 lets drop 9 guys and rush a Safety and a lb.

underrated? Jesus H Christ

Jones seems like the classic million dollar talent attached to a ten cent dome. Very Sam Darnold-esque. The talent is all there, the neurons are just not firing correctly to get all that talent into producing at an elite level. It happens all the time. Justin Fields is another great example of that.

I mean, yes, there is a difference between looking at a box score and watching film. But PFF has a big subjective aspect to some of their grades. That's how you get a 2/4 being better than 3/5 with a TD. You aren't using stats at that point or factual events, but subjective analysis of plays. And it's not like it is the same subjective analysis applying across all the players. Same guy grading BY's incompletions (which are putting him over the top) isn't grading everyone else's incompletions and completions. So it's different subjective takes/viewpoints applied. There is no way everyone at PFF views grading out a play the same. Then it all dumps into the same spreadsheet. Hit the sort button. Sometimes I feel it gets really weird and and collective data starts saying some weird stuff that just isn't true.

Yeah, Sanders had a very nice debut preseason performance but the folks acting like he's arrived based on that performance are getting way out ahead of themselves.