CPcavedweller

So we have to settle for minnows while the Texans are out there catching fish so big they have to tie it to the side of the boat? Come on son.

No one knows the future for certain and this thread is literally a "what if" thread so I can't "what if" all I want. You can disagree if you want. However the Bears have an amazing opportunity here. A franchise altering opportunity. I've also watched enough of Williams ans Drake Maye to have a good feeling that not only will they not be busts, but both are likely to be perennial Pro Bowl players. Both of the physical traits and mental processing are what you'd look for, meanwhile we went for one of those two.

I supported Cam and I wanted Stroud or Richardson. Young would've been a 3rd round pick if he'd played anywhere else but Alabama.

He wasn't wrong. We traded our first round pick away next year. A draft that will include Drake Maye, Caleb Williams, Taulia (Tua's brother), and a few other potentially big armed dudes. However I still blame this on Tepper. Tepper wanted a QB and he made damn sure we went out and got one. Our GM is the fall guy.

1. No, but that's a red herring. No one here is mad at Bryce Young. People here are upset with Tepper for ignoring reality and mettling in what should be football only discussions which would've led to Anthony Richardson or C.J. Stroud. 2. If Bryce Young played anywhere but Alabama, he would've been a third round pick. Taulia Taugaviola (spelling) would be talked about as the Number One pick in the 2024 Draft if he played at Alabama. Instead, he plays at Maryland and is largely ignored, but his traits are much better almost across the board than Bryce Young's. 3. WE ARE RUNNING THE WRONG OFFENSE. I said this as soon as Reich was hired, I said it during the summer, I said it during pre-season. If we go back to dropping back 40 times a game and running out of the shotgun primarily, we will lose, period. People don't understand football, which is fine. But our transition last year under Wilks was out of necessity in order to protect our offensive line and better protect the QB. So we went to a run heavy game from under center and went play action off of that. Anytime we got into obvious passing situations late in games, Ickey was EATEN ALIVE, as he is now. Primary issue now is that Bryce is 5'9 and can't see over the line when running under center so transitioning back to that type of offense isn't possible unless you bench him. Winning this season is too far gone at this point but I was in favor of sending a 7th round pick for D'Onta Foreman. If nothing else, you could get Bryce more experience under center, go to 12 and 13 personnel and run two receivers to get the alignments to make sense. We can't run the ball now because the opposition is putting 8 and 9 guys in a box while we continue to try to run out of the shotgun right into it. We don't change our packages to better suit the running game and it's a disaster to watch. It's like we "run because we have to" rather than making it make sense. If they can stop the run and stop the pass out of the same defensive package, we will never do much of anything. AND NONE OF THAT IS THE OFFENSIVE LINES FAULT. We have guys suited to road grade. That was the idea with picking each of them. So now we ask them to pass block 50 times a game and expect success? Come on man. As for Young, we made the wrong pick. It was as obvious on the day it happened as it is now. It was also obvious that it was Tepper's call which is why people are pissed.

It really depends on what happens with the Bears. If the Bears end up off-loading Justin Fields and getting Drake Maye/Caleb Williams AND Marvin Harrison Jr., along with a guy like Eric Bienemy as Head Coach, then yes. Absolutely. The consequence of this trade will have been massive.

2010: A Jimmy Clausen Oddysey 2023: Part Deaux, the Bryce Young Chapter The coaching staff is trying to square peg, round hole this offensive line. They showed that they can road grade in 2022 when running under center and running play action. Reich is insistent on running out of the shotgun and it's a failure.

Why yes, yes he is. He's been quarterback hunting since 2020 and largely its been inconsequential. This decision to trade a bunch of picks and a franchise type player away for a QB is going to set the team back years and it's showing. This is hard to watch. It's very reminiscent of 2010.

With the guy who still has JIMMEHHH as his avatar picture, or whatever it's called now, I'm not surprised you'd want to see that. Give me Andy Dalton. The "Red Rocket" is here to stay.

Brian Burns is a franchise type player. If you trade anyone it's Chinn and Horn. Not because they aren't good, but one is hurt all the time and the other can be replaced quite easily.

That's what happens when you drop back to pass 65 times.

We don't have Andy Reid coaching this team so I highly doubt Reich would scheme something to take advantage of his speed. Adam Theilen is allegedly slow but still managed to have 11 catches for 150 yards yesterday. Chark is plenty fast. If we want a receiver, I doubt Mecole is going to be that key to the lock. We need a scheme focused on running. Send a conditional 7th round pick to the Bears for D'Onta Foreman, watch game tape from last year, and revert back to those blocking schemes and that run game. If we keep running the poo we are running now the only way we will win is if the defense shuts the other offense down.

All right, let's get something straight, the Seahawks have a bad RUN DEFENSE which is why we smoked them last year with Wilks and Foreman leading the charge. Knowing that the Seahawks are bad at defending the run, surely Reich the offensive genius would scheme up an under center run game to make them look silly, right? WRONG. Instead, we play to their strengths and throw the ball 60 times. 1. Running out of the shotgun does not work in the NFL like it does in college and even the college game is going more to pistol looks because it increases versatility. 2. Running shotgun as your base formation because your QB is 5'9 185 lbs isn't going to work. The Cardinals showed this is the case. It's why the Dolphins primarily run out of under center, 11 and 12 personnel. We started winning last year because we ran the ball, even when it wasn't working, because play action passing takes pressure off of the QB, line, and receivers. When the defense knows you're going to throw you're at a severe disadvantage.

I am not trading any defensive stars from this team, period. The only thing keeping us competitive right now is the three guys you mentioned and all of them are those generational, core assets that you don't get rid of. At this point, there is no option to trade "up". Anyone we trade would be a down and would harm more than it would help. I also don't trust Tepper to stay out of the way when it comes to drafting and signing free agents. Your most valuable assets are draft picks and key players. Personally, I think you have to ride it out. We already made a horrible trade for Bryce despite all of the indicators, statistics, and recent history says that its a horrible idea. Don't double down on that mistake.

So Tua is 4 inches taller and 30 lbs heavier? Throws a better deep ball, throws with more velocity, better anticipation, and is now on to no look passes with the fastest team in the history of rhe NFL. Yes, let's replicate alllll of it. The Raiders tried this for decades and failed. There is only one Tyreek Hill man. There has never been anyone like him in NFL History. You might be able to go find someone who is fast, who is thick, who can run routes, and who can catch, but usually you're picking from those traits. Hill has all of them. He's a first ballot Hall of Famer. Tua was also better than Bryce at Alabama with the same type of players. If it was easy to build what the Dolphins have on offense everyone would've already done it as well. Regardless, they are one Tua concussion from being back to the basics. Lastly, Bryce already got hurt, in Week 2. So that shows his longevity. I find it insane that people will still defend taking Bryce over Richardson or Stroud when both of them are doing a lot more with a lot less than what the Panthers have on offense and one of them has a defensive minded head coach (cough, keep Wilks, cough). Maybe Bryce pans out long-term, maybe he doesn't. But he's going to require an All-Star cast of characters whereas the Colts and Texas appear to have gotten guys that can elevate others. That alone makes expenditures on other facets if the team much easier.

Wilks is also a guy from Charlotte, who played locally, and while he probably prefers a more smashmouth version of a football team, you tailor what you run to who you have. Wilks wouldn't have passed up on a game breaking QB and offensive scheme if we had the personnel for it and I think that's what Tepper feared. You see the 49er's hire an offensive minded head coach and where do they spend their money? On defense. Wilks would've likely had the defense humming while being the type of leader the team needed, that guys would run through a brick wall for, and we saw that. It wasn't even a hot hand situation as much as it was rhat Wilks showed that he could get more out of less, much more. Imagine how demeaning it would feel, being Wilks, and coming back to Charlotte to coach your hometown team as a DB coach for Matt Rhule. Then you get the head coaching job, fire a bunch of dudes, completely change the offensive philosophy of the team, and come within Ickey Ekwonu getting beat like a drum in four or five plays of making the playoffs. Then you don't get the job permanently and instead the Panthers hire a guy fired mid-season. At this point, give me Luke Kuechly. If there is anyone who could step in and be a head coach right away, it's Luke. Someone will hire him at some point and I'd rather it be the Panthers.

Wilks wasn't any of those things? I really hope people can appreciate the miracle that was finishing 6-6 with him as the head coach last year. The guy coached his ass off and got poo on for it.

It's Tepper. It's his wife. Josh McCown told us who we were going to take when he let that poo slip at Ohio State's Pro Day. Then Tepper ate with Bryce, the 5'10 204 QB who is trying to keep on weight but orders a damn scallop salad or some sbit, and it was a wrap. Bryce has a front for a boardroom but that's not what succeeds on the football field. The level of effort I saw from everyone in Seattle with Dalton at QB compared to the first two weeks is insanely different.

3rd round would've been fine. But then choosing between him and Dorian Thompson-Robinson, I'm taking DTR all day. 5 year starter in college, 4.5 speed, playing with Chip Kelly in his pro style offense, etc. Hell, I may have even just waited our Stroud and Richardson to take DTR. There is an alternate universe where we traded down and took O'Cyrus Torrence, Zach Charbonnet, Marvin Mims, amd DTR, while keeping DJ Moore and signing DJ Chark and Adam Theilen. Kept D'Onta Foreman and have Wilks as a head coach. That team is 3-0 right now and championship contenders in 2024 or 2025.

I agree. I haven't watched a full game with Bryce Young because by the 2nd quarter I've seen all I'm gonna see. I didn't feel that way with Dalton who had this team fighting again.

I got BANNED for a week for saying that Bryce wasn't going to be all that everyone was making him out to be. He's allegedly above average in one area and that's processing. Put Bryce Young on any school other than Alabama and he's a 4th round pick. fuging garbage man.

Good coaches don't get let go mid-season, period. They may quit, or retire, but they don't get fired. He was fired for a reason. Tepper has been nothing but tepid in managing this team and at this point I have to wonder if his net worth is what he says it is. If he's as good at managing a hedge fund as he is a football organization, it's a miracle he's not out in tent city California.

I tried telling y'all. 14 rushes in Week 3.

If Wilks was Head Coach I promise we would be running the ball and running it well. We wouldn't have overpaid Miles Sanders by about $22 million. 14 rushing attempts to 58 passing attempts isn't "we can't run the ball". It's a failure of the coaching staff. If you flip those numbers, you're sure that you've won the game. 35 rushing attempts should be the target each week. And if you want to know why it's failing its because running out of the shotgun is a losing endeavor in the NFL.

Or how bad Reich has been. We had FOURTEEN running plays this past week. That doesn't win football games.