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I interpreted your original reply as the team could have success if the new players and coaches were really good, AND they created an offense that didn't count on the QB being a primary contributor. Because you think Bryce won't be able to hold up his end. I think you confirm that above. My only point is that I don't see how anyone can say definitively what Bryce Young will be in the league yet, based on his supporting cast from last season. And it seems those that have already decided that Bryce Young is a bust, likely just didn't like him as the pick in the first place. A little context for me... lots of folk here didn't like Cam while he was a Panther either. It had very little to do with him as a talent. And just for the record, I really am not invested in Bryce Young. I didn't want the team to move up for a QB at all in 2023. I thought 2024 would be the year to go for a QB. But when they did, I ordered the QBs as Anthony Richardson, then CJ, then Bryce. The disfunction from the front office, to the playcalling, to the scheme, to the oline and the receivers was just not a good situation. Horrible actually. Asking a rookie to perform with all that adversity is just not realistic to me, at any position let alone QB. So to me, the verdict is still out. I don't know if he can be the guy because the situation he was in last year was set up to fail from the start. In preseason, as soon as I saw the oline couldn't figure out how to even slow down the Jets' pass rush (particularly stunts) and the receivers were locked up like Fort Knox, I knew we were in for a long season.

Agree. My thing is a lot of posters don't give Bryce any credit. No matter what. And they wait to point out his failures- only. Never acknowledge his positives, only the negatives. That doesn't seem like a person being realistic. That seems like a biased approach. Almost like you actually do want him to fail. I don't understand that approach if you're a Panthers fan. Maybe to prove they were right during the draft? Seems weird to me.

Didn't say it wasn't. Could be. I don't claim to know based on how bad the entire offense was last year. It seems pretty clear that you're convinced that any success would be in spite of Bryce. Any success would be based on the so called improvements - which most really aren't proven commodities. So back to my original point: do you just not like him?

Which part did I misinterpret? As of right now, relying on Bryce could cost people their jobs so its understandable if the coaches and other players are the catalyst for any success.

Hardy and dem was some killers for hire! They used to beat the dog ish out of Brees! I loved it. Imagine if he was still on the team in 2015 team.

And there you go. Just put your name in the "I just don't like Bryce Young" hat. Nothing wrong with that. You can like or dislike whoever you want.

So strato has spoken. Who else is willing to just admit they never liked the guy and nothing he does will ever convince you that he is? If he wins the friggin super bowl, it would be because of the coach and players they put around him.

So you're saying this is the year Jaycee plays all 17?! I'll take it!!!

Yeah, honestly that's a tough schedule. It really is.

So much confirmation bias with you guys. Not even an attempt to be objective. Not even trying. Like the guy said earlier. If you don't like the QB, just say so. Then don't get on the bandwagon if he turns into the guy. No take backs. Line in the sand.

I actually agree with this - to a degree. Mingo is not a finished product and his route running did improve as the season progressed. Grace has to be given to any rookie in last year's offense. QB, RB, WR, TE or Oline. Any of those positions would have been set up to fail as a 1st year player in the NFL. Bad scheme, bad playcalling and probably bad coaching (can't say definitely since we weren't at practices).

No it isn't. If someone says he can't throw X many yards because he didn't do it last year, but he threw it X plus 10 yards in college, that shows he can. He may not have done it in Carolina, but that doesn't mean he can't do it. There is a real possibility that there were extenuating circumstances. These definitive but inaccurate statements are also known as hot takes or gross exaggerations.

Definitely set the wheels in motion if Bryce doesn't show huge improvement this season. But don't draft a subpar prospect just for the sake of drafting a QB. Continue to build the team until a stud is available. Dalton can probably hold down the fort with the o line changes, until the right guy is available in the draft or FA (less likely).

Ya'll do realize that consensus #1 pick QBs rarely participate in the combine... right? Nothing to gain. Only to lose. That's not a scammer. That's just good business sense. If I knew a kid that was the consensus #1 pick in the draft, there is no way in heck I'd let him go to the combine. Even a small injury could knock him out of the #1 spot. There just isn't a reason to go.

The eyeball test is subjective. You can say he has a weak arm, I can say his arm is strong (which I'm not). Who has the better "eye" for football velocity? Bryce doesn't always throw fastballs. Actually he rarely does. But he's thrown enough to show that he has more than adequate velocity. Decision making, trust in his oline, trust in his receivers... needs work. But arm strength is low on the things he needs to improve. Right along with footwork. If that's how he plays, then I'm fine with it. He's shown the ability to throw with adequate velocity and accuracy at very awkard arm angles. So he doesn't need to have stellar footwork to make throws. I could see it helping his timing though.

I really don't get this take. Is he in the top .1% of the population like Flacco, Josh Allen, old Cam Newton, Mahomes? Heck no. But he definitely has a better arm than some are giving him credit for. Good enough to win in the NFL.

Reich was forced into a situation he didn't originally anticipate. Losing DJ Moore was huge. Couple that with the incredible regression of the offensive line (mostly through injury), and he didn't know how to bring the team back. Bryce wasn't good enough to save his job like Cam did for Ron. Hopefully a little stability, flexibility and luck from the injury bug will be in Canales' favor.

Usually I'd agree with you 100%. HC needs to oversee everything. That's why I didn't like Reich calling plays last season - that and he wasn't very good at it. But in this case, it's necessary. It's very important that Bryce and the offense get off early. Canales acknowledged how important it was to bring Evero back. He can almost take his hands off the defense and let Evero cook. They even brought in some players that have played for Evero in the past, setting the defense up as more prepared to roll with less changes and playbook teaching than normal for a new HC. Consistency is important for just that reason. It's difficult to learn a new playbook with limited practices - offensively and defensively.

No strato. He definitely COULD have made more plays, but asking a rookie QB to lead such a bad supporting cast is not realistic. And I think Bryce was overthinking out there. He didn't trust his team mates. He didn't trust the playcalling. He didn't look prepared. The WRs didn't look prepared. The oline didn't look prepared. It's ridiculous they couldn't figure out how to block a stunt or delayed blitz all season. No rookie would have been successful in this offense last season. No rookie QB, no rookie WR, no rookie olineman, no rookie RB. Not just Bryce. No Rookie would have looked competent when the vets aren't at least NFL average. Couple that with bad coaching, and ... impossible. Not saying Bryce is the answer. Saying we don't know. And the hot takes most are on here making about him are just not true. That or just gross exaggerations.

Agree. I think I said that. If he regresseds and is unplayable, he'll sit. If he's at least "ok" he'll get all season and some of 2025.

Bryce and Thielen have hooked up on that exact route a number of times during the season. Granted, it's usually thrown with more velocity because defenders are right on his tail, but...

Running backs and linebackers take the most punishment in a football game. No other position gets the level of contact those positions get. Running full speed into another super athlete, who is also running full speed. The era of bell cow backs that take 90% of the carries isn't really a sustainable way to operate. Defenders have gotten too big, too strong and too fast.

Ok. This is ridiculous. No one is bringing in "real competition" for a first round QB, let alone the #1 pick in the draft. That's not how it works. Anyone deemed competition is really just a dog and pony show for the crowd. Politics are a real thing in sports. Always has been. Always will be. Bryce will get all of this season, barring injury or him just completely regressing to being unplayable. I'd even think he gets the first half of next season too. Just accept it and move on. The Bryce sucks takes are really getting old. I get it. You mostly just don't like him. From the too little, too brittle, too short to see, to weak to break tackles, too slow to outrun anyone, too weak of an arm that he can't throw the ball 50 yards, and so on and so forth. Any person without a motive could see he never had a chance with the offense around him - oline, receivers, scheme and playcalling. He should at least have league average this season. And this is not a super star supporting cast on offense by any means, but it should allow him to play within the offense and not try to do too much too early that he comes off looking incompetent. A couple of linemen and receivers he trusts to do their jobs is all he should need to show what he can do. If he doesn't show up, then he gets shown out. But let's just give him this season at least. Jeez.

I don't think there were ever many "that's my quarterback" crowds. He had a horrible season. There were a lot of "we don't know what we have because the team is so bad" folk though - myself included. I didn't think your post was calling out Bryce, seemed more of an acknowledgement that the offense was void of talent. But I guess you really were calling out Bryce. At least you're consistent.

3000 yards is not a good goal. 30 TDs is a little too many though. 4000 yards passing. 20 TDs. Throw in another 200 yards rushing.