CPantherKing

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Brady still winning championships by not running or taking hits. Watson has 3 seasons before his body gives out and he starts taking longer to heal. Watson will be done just like Cam while Brady is still contending for championships. Oh well. Let Rhule have half a season to find his Tom Brady, and then can him. No 1st round pick, no trading away the franchise. Find the QB with a 3rd to 6th round pick, or be a real genius and find them ovelooked in free agency or on the street. Don't kill this franchise for Rhules ego.

I could build a better OL with 3 draft picks to fill out the interior OL. Tom, Kinnard, Wohlabaugh, Linderbaum, Steuber, McKethan, Jurgens, Wattenberg, Strange, Vrabel or Rivas. Pick any 3. Improved. I'm good with Moton and BC at tackles as long as there is a quick and intelligent center leading/making calls and a quality athletic guard next to BC.

First, the Seahawks were not a patient rebuild. They lost patience with Holmgren/Hasselbeck. Dumped Holmgren after 1 bad season after having success but coming up short for 5 straight seasons. Brought in Jim Mora and dumped him in 1 season. Went to Carroll and pressured him to win. He was on the hot seat after 3 QBs in 2 seasons and saved himself with Wilson winning quickly when Matt Flynn was brought in to lead the team. Then winning a SB in Carroll's 4th season. This was not patience at all. It was win now or you're out. Second, the Chiefs were giving their coaches 3 seasons to win. Edwards out in 3 seasons, Haley out in 2.5 seasons, Crennel out in 1.5 seasons. Reid came in and won immediately like he did in Philadelphia. He did it with Alex Smith in year 1. So, because there was immediate winning he got 4 years. Ownership and the front office were still not happy and they were going to put Reid on the hot seat if he did not find a new QB and move on from Smith. Hunt, Dorsey, and Veach had to light a fire under Reid to move the franchise from contender to champion. They did not want a 10 year situation with Alex Smith the way Reid carried on with McNabb. Reid was pushed to make this change after his 4th year with the Chiefs (and he was winning with Alex Smith). Neither of these franchise case studies show any form of a long and patient rebuild. It was win now and win big or you're out! No patience and move on from a QB who keeps coming up short. Third, Foles, Wilson, Brady, Flacco, Manning, Mahomes, and Stafford over the past 10 years. Mahomes and Flacco are the only 1st round QBs who have won the SB with the team that drafted them over the last 10 years. There are 3 teams who won a SB with a QB they drafted in the 3rd/6th round. Burrow didn't win a SB and that will likely be his one and only shot. The lesson is, don't draft a QB in the first round and think you're going to win a SB with them. Better chance at drafting a mid round QB and building a defense with those 1st round picks, or trading for a proven 1st round QB and giving them full control after you've built a team they feel they can win a championship with as their unquestioned leader. I wish people would stop fantasizing about the 1st round rookie franchise QB who will take them all the way and give them a dynasty. The last 9 dynasties are Chiefs with Mahomes, Patriots with Brady, Seahawks with Wilson, Steelers with Roethlisberger, Rams with Warner, Broncos with Elway, Packers with Favre, Cowboys with Aikman, and 49ers with Montana. All of these dynasties were winning consistently and in the playoffs by their 3rd season. All had good championship minded head coaches that could roster build and prepare their teams well. Walsh, Johnson, Belichick and Holmgren found their QB from the start. Vermeil lucked into his QB in his lame duck season. Carroll and Reeves spotted their QB while on the hot seat in their 3rd season. Reid and Cowher were winning out the gate, but tied themselves to QBs that couldn't get it done and had to be persuaded by ownership/gm to move on from Alex Smith/Kordell Stewart or the team. None of these coaches or franchises were patient. Just a couple stubborn coaches that were winning from year one regardless of their QB. 6th rounder in Brady, Undrafted with Warner, 1 pick away from being a 4th rounder in Montana, 3rd round pick in Wilson, 2nd rounder in Favre, and 1st rounders in Aikman/Elway/Roethlisberger/Mahomes We can all agree Aikman, Elway, and Roethlisberger rank below Brady, Montana, and Warner. Aikman had a consistent dynasty with little impact as QB, Elway was on the verge of a decade long failed dynasty, and Roethlisberger's dynasty was consistently up and down. We can keep going back too with the Redskins-Theismann, Steelers-Bradshaw, Cowboys-Staubach, Dolphins-Griese, Colts-Unitas, and Packers-Starr. So, 5 of 15 QBs from NFL dynasties were drafted in the 1st round by the team they led. Only 1 of these 1st round QBs carried their teams to success - Mahomes. Compare that to 8 of the QBs not taken in the 1st round carrying their teams to successful dynasties.

This is a front office play to break a division rival for the next decade. The Bucs won't get into the bidding war, and the Saints just want to drive the price up. Dennis Allen knows how to take advantage of Watson's greedy decision making/passing. Looks like the Panthers are going to trade away their next decade for a lame duck coach and an unproven/overrated QB the future HC will be tied to. If Watson is committed to winning, he'll insist on keeping the offensive weapons around him. Not sure how a Watson-Rhule marriage will play out. Seems like they would butt heads a lot, and Rhule doesn't like to be questioned while Watson plays by his own rules and questions his coaches.

Well the interior OL going to be garbage again. An unathletic waste bender who takes poor angles and can only block for 2 seconds. I can list 10 OLs from the draft that can play center and would be a dramatic improvement. Linderbaum, Lindstrom, Tom, Wohlabaugh, Wattenberg, Jurgens, Strange, Fortner, Rivas, and Johnson. This front office has some serious problems when it comes to evaluation and roster building.

Junior college coaches won't be attending. It's for middle school coaches. Junior college coaches are overqualified for this seminar. Have you seen the lineup? lol Looks to me like this is for Rhule's future as a college coach. He wants to get in good with middle school and high school coaches so he can recruit with the best of them. Need those Florida boys to fill out a college roster. You think he would be focused on building a pro team going into the draft and not greasing the wheel for his college career. Then again it is Matt Rhule, so no surprise there. Do you think Tepper knows about this? Fhuled by Rhule again!

So, you can't give me a single game to watch him throw open receivers consistently? Did you watch the entire film analysis? If you did, I'm sure you caught the part where he points out they had to throw ONE bad pass in the analysis? That alone red flags the analysis. It's clear he is fan boying about Carson Strong, and claiming his bad decisions are amazing throws. I run from strong arm fan boys' analysis of a QB. The best coaches in the NFL even point this out in books about arm strength being a huge problem with the draft/combine process. Lance Zierlein has Strong graded lower than Jack Coan. He refers to Coan as a back up/possible starter. He only refers to Strong as a back-up. While I'm not a fan of Zierlein, he does agree with me on many of the negatives surrounding Strong in his scouting report. He believes Coan will go 4th round while Strong goes 2nd round and may sneak into the 1st. This is what happens when personnel execs fall in love with strong arms QBs. They reach for them, even with 2 bum knees.

I hear Watson has a thing for cavity searches. This is going to be the end of Watson. He'll need a thick skin with the defensive smack talk he's going to get submitted to for the rest of his career. He better cover his rear if he wants to come back to an NFL team.

It's college. The strong arm QBs can force balls in at that level. Coverage is much tighter at the NFL level and you can 3x his ints if he keeps making those throws. As for him throwing open receivers, please reference the game he regularly does this. I see that a majority of his throws are behind the receiver, underthrown, wobblers, or floaters. He has no touch. His receivers need to constantly adjust to his throws, and it is obvious they recruited receivers with a large catch radius because of his inaccuracy. He gets his receivers killed often. He is at the bottom of the top 15 when it comes to throwing a WR open. This was even more obvious in the Senior Bowl.

Roll with Darnold and heavily invest in the D to make it the best in the NFL. I'm ok with that. Move offensive pieces like CMC, DJ Moore, and Robby Anderson and stock that D. I'm hoping for the miracle season approach by rolling the dice on an unknown QB who will stare down the blitz, and give him one season to prove he deserves to stay. Go pass heavy by drafting a rookie WR with the 6th pick to feature with CMC, Abdullah, Moore, Anderson, and Zylstra. Spread the ball around and don't let CMC carry the load. Use CMC like a Marshall Faulk or Ladanian Tomlinson. The Panthers are set up offensively to do this. Unfortunately, I think Rhule and Fitt are going to treat the season like a 3rd act of building a team like it's Rhule's first season. Disaster with a lame duck coach.

I like how they celebrate the play at 17:00 and never mention everything wrong with that play you never want to see him do in the NFL. Stares down WR. Forces ball in to double coverage, which turns into triple coverage since he never looks off DBs. Shows no patience or fluid progressions. He misses big on the correct defensive read with the X on the go route. You never want to see a QB in the NFL ever make that pass with their back against the endzone. He consistently throws behind the WR and makes bad decisions. Every game he plays in I feel for the pain he puts his receivers through. Too many hospital balls. Looks defeated often during the season and his reactions toward his receivers is Cutleresque. His highlight throws in this Kansas State game are absolutely the type of passes/decisions you do not want to see him make in the NFL. I didn't want Kerry Collins or Jay Cutler. I do not want Carson Strong. Stop making me go back and cringe at his games because you love a strong arm lol. I think I missed something, and then I'm reminded this is a disaster of a QB come the playoffs when you actually need your QB to perform and come up clutch. They win this game, but the QB play is ugly. He is not getting away with this on the NFL level, and he will give the game away making decisions late in games like he does against Cal. He put a couple receivers in the hospital with these throws. No touch. I'd rather have Josh Rosen, and I don't want Josh Rosen.

You do not need a great QB to get to the playoffs. History has proven this. You need a strong running game/short yardage passing game and OL to get through the season. You need a great defense to win a championship. The QB is the supercharger that gets you through the playoffs when a team matchups evenly with their running game and defense. The QB does not get you to the playoffs. At most, they will have 3 to 5 game winning drives in a season, and average QBs have 2 game winning drives in the season. Great QBs like Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Joe Montana, and Johnny Unitas have game winning drives every season. Watson has had 0 game winning drives in 2 of his 4 seasons. That is not great. He is 7-13 in games he has passed for more than 300 yards. The 7 wins were against teams that are not very impressive (Lions, Jags, 2020 Pats, Falcons, Colts). For comparison, Aaron Rodgers is 48-21 in games he throws for 300+ yards, and Peyton Manning is 61-32 in games he has thrown for 300+ yards. Cam Newton is 8-14 in games he has passed for 300+ yards. Which QB is he more like? Cam or Rodgers? Cam and Watson are good - not great. Watson will disappoint if you think he is going to win against the great QBs in the playoffs. Watson, like Cam, needs a good defense and solid OL to win. People are falling in love with the Watson fantasy. Go watch his games and not just his highlights. He struggles to compete against the good QBs in his own division. Luck, Rivers and Tannehill have winning records against Watson. Watson racked up his wins against Bortles, Minshew, Brissett, and Mariota. That's how he stacks up in his own division. Does he have a winning record against any good QB in the NFL he has faced at least 2 times? You can go look. The answer is NO. Against teams he has faced at least 2 times, Watson has a winning record against the Browns and the Jaguars. If the Panthers get tied to him for the next 5+ seasons, I hope you are right and he starts showing some success. Seems that his track record makes him look extremely overrated and that DCs who prepare for Watson figure him out. The 2019 Panthers without Cam shut him down. Kuechly had Watson figured out quickly.

So, they want 5 first round picks and an additional pick for a QB who has done nothing in the NFL. Yeah, they think the Panthers organization is the most idiotic team in the NFL. Deshaun Watson has proven he can't even carry a team into the playoffs nevermind a SB. Not to mention his poor judgment and play style that gives you 5 to 6 years max with him at QB. He's worth two 2nd round picks or a 1st and a 5th. And that's still a big risk. Hard pass!

Todd Marinovich/Jamarcus Russell would be an upgrade over Sam Darnold/PJ Walker

You can add Lions, Falcons, Texans, Vikings, Giants, Eagles, Bears, Jaguars, Jets, and Patriots to the list of teams who are not completely sold on their QBs even with the choice of going forward with them as the favored starter for the 2022 season. These teams are all in the market for a backup QB that can step in and force their team to make the decision to part with their #1 QB. The Lions, Falcons, Texans, Vikings, and Giants are hoping for their Drew Bledsoe/Tom Brady moment. The Eagles, Bears, Jaguars, Jets, and Patriots are still in hopeful mode, but are not sold on having franchise QBs in place. They will gladly bring in a QB to compete for the starter position if their young QBs lose focus and fall on their face. The NFL QB situation has not been this unstable since Y2K rocked the world. Ridder, Pickett, Howell, Willis, Corral, Strong, Glass, Coan, Zappe, Eleby, Purdy, Kelley, Oladokun, and Garbers are all going to get their shot to prove themselves in the next few years. In 2021, 30+ year old back up QBs Mike Glennon, Case Keenum, Josh Johnson, Geno Smith, Colt McCoy, Taysom Hill, Tyrod Taylor, Trevor Siemian, Cam Newton and Andy Dalton all had 50 or more passing attempts for the season with some topping 200 pass attempts on the season. Then you have the under-30 Davis Mills, Jacoby Brissett, Taylor Heinike, and Tyler Huntley place holders getting 200 pass attempts. Place your bets on the 2022 QBs who will shock the NFL and emerge as franchise QBs. I put the over/under at 4 franchise QBs in this 2022 class, and only 1 of them will be a 1st round pick. A handful of these 2022 QBs will be the new generation of Geno Smith/Colt McCoy that will have 10+ years as back up QBs. The opportunities are there. 2022 is going to be a crazy year for the QB position. Unfortunately, I have a feeling that the Panthers are going to miss this wild and bumpy ride that won't be around for another 20 years.

Are you unaware of this common practice? How long have you been watching NFL organizations inner workings? They have PIs on retainer and send them out to high schools, follow around prospects, and deep dive into high cost/high profile franchise players. From Joe Namath to Baker Mayfield. Not new at all. Very well known. If you were not in the know, then you know now.

Organizations hiring PIs to look into a possible franchise QB? A 50 year long tradition in the NFL. Is this news? I think the big news would be that an organization did not hire a PI to look into a move on a franchise QB. I'm sure they hired a PI for Bridgewater and Darnold too. The one thing that the PI isn't good at is alerting a team to a lack of talent and leadership in clutch situations. Maybe spend more money on better scouts.

That is not a path and it definitely doesn't fix the team. As a lame duck coach coming off multiple losing seasons, you have a couple plans that have proven themselves to work for the past 4 decades. You can go with the miracle season path. Draft a top WR. Find a dark horse starting QB in the draft or stored away on another teams roster as a #3. The Panthers have the players and defense to make this plan work. You give your inexperienced but hopeful QB 7 targets in the passing game and let him throw and take risks. Go aggressive with a pass heavy offense and aggressive defense as though you have nothing to lose from the start of the season. Doubt the organization is intelligent enough to figure it out. Draft Garrett Wilson/Treylon Burks and Aqeel Glass/Jack Coan (or trade for Brett Rypien/Shane Buechele). Anyone who touches the ball can score, and there will always be at least 1 matchup to exploit on every play. The use of a RB out of the backfield in the passing game and the addition of a 3rd speed WR with great hands, that can be disciplined, can out jump DBs for contested balls, and come up with the clutch catch is key. QB must be decisive and be poised with the blitz in his face (this rules out Darnold). You can go with the #1 defense path that can carry a bad offense. Panthers are also in a position to pull this off too, but they have to strengthen the center of the defense with a MLB and a couple big NT/DT to rotate in. Trade down to get extra picks, unload offensive players with trade value, and draft Devin Lloyd, Jordan Davis, Jermaine Johnson, and John Ridgeway. Neither plan needs a top OL that can hold blocks to develop plays. Zone blocking, pulling, stretch, 3 and 5 step drops, play action, redzone roll outs, and quick screens. The later plan with the heavy defense carries over well after the lame duck coach, and sets up the incoming coach to have quick success. The things a lame duck coach should never do. Draft OL. Draft 1st round QB. Go with a QB or RB by committee approach. Rely on a RB to carry the load game in and game out. Load up on pass rushers at the expense of run defense.

Tepper's invoice company hasn't paid the bill yet so Tepper has put invoices on hold until further notice.

I hope the new HC next year wants to build around a raw project QB like Malik Willis who couldn't pass for 3k yards in a college season. I always wondered what it would be like to be a fan of the Bengals with Akili Smith coming in under a lame duck coach.

Let Cam be Cam. The coaches kept pushing for him to be a pocket passer like he would have a 20 year career. A scripted and no huddle offense with calls at the LoS was always best for Cam. The more time he had to think through the play he would be slower in delivering a play. He is a read and react QB. They used him completely wrong most of the time and leaned on Cam too late in games. Letting him loose in the first half and keeping him from overthinking was the key and the 2015 performance was the only season they really did that with it sprinkled in during the few years prior. Then they decided going in to the 2016 season that Cam needed to be more of a pocket passer because of the hits he was taking and all the money they gave him. It was a frustrating period of time to be a Panthers fan. They had the team to be so much more than a 1 time NFC Championship franchise. The front office and coaching staff just rode out the talent built up from the late 2000s and never went all in like they should have done for a 3 to 5 year run from 2013 to 2018. Instead, they were building for the future of being a winning franchise year in and year out and thought it was ridiculous to believe in windows of opportunity. Well... Here is that future now!

Broncos still have 10 draft picks this year after the Wilson trade. They have 3 in the top 100 picks.

Gordon will be a free agent and they have yet to move on signing him to a contract. Waiting to see what they can do in trade negotiations. So, they obviously have their target set on a RB valued higher than Gordon.

When the Broncos acquire McCaffrey and go from worst to first, we will all be wondering what if...