*FreeFua*

Literally ass

Defense picking up right where they left off last week

That 3rd down play was dead from the snap of the ball Real terrible play call down in the red zone

Unreal. Rico had a walk in touchdown but he flat out fell Just pathetic

Rico literally just fell smfh

TMac struggles with press so much

Lmao damn Bryce for keeping his eyes downfield while he gets to the top of his drop I can see why you constantly deflect when it comes to talking about the actual game itself

And once again I showed you it’s been pretty even. We spent 2nd and 3rd rounders this past draft on edge rushers. No one’s going to sit here and do the math on a draft value chart etc. the only reason I even entertained this was because you said we’ve spent nothing on defense when that simply isn’t true. It also didn’t help we traded our ONLY WR worth a damn to trade up for Bryce soo… And this is kind of the issue with the anti Bryce crowd. This crowd tends to blame him for the trade up. I was team Stroud. Had the panthers not taken Young the only other QB they were going to take was Richardson. So your issue should be with Tepper, Morgan, Fitterer not Bryce. Bryce is who he is and it was pretty obvious who he was during the draft process. Bryce is slowly developing into that guy most thought he’d be. Give him a WR like Jamo and this offense as a whole would improve greatly. Anyone thinking he was the next Pat Mahomes or Josh Allen is clearly slow. Bryce was always going to need pieces around him much like EVERY other QB Burrow has Chase and Higgins and they’ve done nothing. After losing in AFC Championship in 2022, Burrow is 17-15. QB’s need a team around them It’s why a Jalen Hurts led Eagles team dismantled a Pat Mahomes led KC team in the SB Imo the QB’s doing the most with the least up until this year have been Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson This year it’s Drake Maye and Josh Allen Outside of the 3-5 elite type QB’s I’m not really sure what people expect here. Is Bryce ever going to be in that elite category? Nope. Should we punt on Bryce and keep swinging? I don’t think so. Should we keep swinging while hanging onto Bryce? Yeah but I don’t know what that looks like This team as a whole isn’t very good. Offense and defense and that’s the simple truth

Those goal posts seem to be mooooovin This is what you said I proved that isn’t the case We’ve had 5 top 10 picks the last 6 drafts (christ that’s pathetic btw. We actually had earned a 6th but traded it) 1 QB 1 WR 1 LT 1 DL 1 CB Truthfully even going back a bit our draft history is pretty even

I covered all that here

You’ve already made it quite clear the names/players attached to these picks or contracts don’t matter And we both know I was one of the biggest Cam defenders and always said they did a HORRIBLE job at surrounding him with talent DESPITE the money or picks spent So like I’ve been saying just because we spent X amount or X picks that don’t mean much

Every year from 2013-2018 we spent more money on offense than we did on defense Handed out a 5 year 55 million dollar deal (30gtd) for a left tackle As far as draft picks… From 2011-2018 Two 2nd rounders, one 3rd rounder and two 4th rounders on OL Two 1st rounders on WR’s Two 2nd rounders on WR’s A top 10 pick (1st round) on a RB/WR 2011-2018… 3 winning seasons From 2023 (the year we drafted Bryce) to this year… Draft picks spent on offense: 10 Draft picks spent on defense: 10 From 2020 - 2022 Picks spent on offense: 9 Picks spent on defense: 14 special teams: 1 So last 6 drafts that’s 19 picks on offense 24 picks on defense 1 pick on special teams lol tough look

The Panthers are 9th in cap spent on offense this year. However next season is already a different story The Panthers as it stands right now will be 18th in cap spent on offense and 8th in cap spent on defense The Panthers are currently set to spend more on defense next year than they are on offense this season Guys like Jaycee and Moehrig cap numbers take a big jump. Wharton has a massive cap hit Jaycee Moehrig and Wharton in 2025 The same 3 in 2026 So this same defense as it stands right now will cost more in 2026 than this offense does right now… Got anything else you want to try?

Lmao just yapping at this point

Fixing the issues from the first game was more so Bryce using his legs which I really wish he’d do more often but I’m also assuming his ankle is in pretty rough shape We couldn’t get much going in game 1 against the Saints and it wasn’t all that different game two. On the first drive Bryce scrambled for 15 on 3rd down extending that drive leading to a TD On the FG drive in 2nd Quarter Bryce extended a 4th down play completing a pass to TMac for 21 yards And then second half/old tendencies Canales really starts coaching scared with a lead. Which leaves the margin for error on any drive literally zero

I honestly don’t even know what you’re rambling on about here. The OL gave up multiple immediate pressures that Bryce overcame and made plays. Bryce was the main reason this offense was able to move the ball at all on Sunday. Overall the OL isnt a top 10 OL in terms of pass protection which is a Dan Morgan problem. Especially given the amount of cap he’s got tied into them The box score watching casuals are being exposed in this thread it was only fitting you jumped in Carry on

I really don’t think Otton’s price tag will be overly high this offseason. He’s had a down year

I assume Otten will be a Panther in 2026 Although someone like Kenyon Sadiq is fun to think about it

“only” due to the time of possession of a lot of their drives And I think the fact this defense can’t stop a nose bleed plays a role in Canales struggling to find a balance between controlling the clock and passing some games The Seahawks were down 16 in the 4th, came back and won yesterday and they punted twice in the 4th. We absolutely do not have that luxury. This team lacks so much talent across the roster

https://x.com/ihartitz/status/2001754884534566912?s=46&t=W75E23VenL1ei42iX22E5g

And how’s that highest paid OL holding up in pass protection? Not good I’m not going over the investments with you your logic is so flawed. But you just repeat the same crap every post. Investments don’t equal production. Tough to have these conversations when half this board doesn’t understand half this crap

I’ve seen a few people mention the fact NO only had 10 points going into the 4th as some sort of victory by the defense. I assume you’re box score watching? The Saints had 4 real possessions going into the 4th quarter. One was the 11:22 minute TD drive and the other a 7:58 FG drive According to nextgenstats there are normally 24 possessions in a game. There were 16 in Sundays game and that’s including a one play kneel down “possession” at the end of the first half and the final 1 play “possession” at the end of the game For comparison, there were 11 possessions in last nights Seahawks Rams game in the 4th quarter alone

Dan was interested in trading for Hendrickson. I’m sure there will still be some interest this offseason with him being an FA but coming off an injury on the wrong side of 30… who knows

Yep fully agree its when the play breaks down and he has to actually think on the fly all hell breaks loose with him Then if he’s pressured that’s another issue too Dudes like Jefferson and JSN make him look so good because they’re typically always open and Darnold can drop back and get them the ball more times than not