SmokinwithWilly

Dalton will get another year extension so his ends right with Bryce's 5th year.

Also wasted time for Tmac and Coker both, possibly XL even though I don't hold much hope for him. If Bryce isn't willing to work on his footwork and gets a 5th year, why should XL work on catching the ball, or running routes, staying in bounds, etc.

I hope so. This 5th year option has been a head scratcher to me so at this point nothing would surprise me.

He also says he trusts Dave to make the right decision. We've seen it take weeks to recognize the simplest of things like giving the RB with the hot hand the ball. Something this big? Maybe year 5.

Pretty much the MO of most of the coaches since Tepper bought the team. Get hired, work 2 of 7, get fired, collect your check.

He's already said he doesn't see an issue with his footwork as something that needs to be addressed.

I'd like to believe that. I really would. But I don't see DC turning over control.

I'm looking at the final drive, and that's where I'm laying the blame at Bryce's feet. Stepping up to the line, 38 seconds left, 3 time outs on the clock. 30 yards needed to attempt a FG. It's not Bryce's job to call the plays, that's DC's and it was terrible play calling. It's Bryce's job to read what the defense is giving him at the line. The middle of the field is open. Rams are guarding against the deep ball and bringing pressure leaving the middle of the field ripe for the taking. Knowing his line not holding up for long, Bryce should have read the defense, called the audible, and thrown to the middle of the field for 6- 8 yards, like you said, quick slants would have worked. Then run either hurry up or call a TO. We had time. He has to make the adjustments. Any QB has to make the adjustments. The pass Horn dropped hit his hands but was at his knees. Should he have slid and caught it? Probably. Was the pass a good one? No it wasn't. Both players were at fault, not just Horn. Let's not pretend that Bryce threw a beautiful pass that hit the receiver chest high right in the hands in perfect stride because that damn sure wasn't the throw. The defense didn't choke away a lead. They never had a real lead. Choking away a lead is being up by multiple scores late in the 4th and losing. We were up by 4 and handed the ball back to a potential MVP with an All pro WR and potential future HoF WR2. One score games in the 4th are a slug fest. 28-3. That's choking away a lead. I don't solely blame Bryce for the game, but you seem to solely blame the defense for the game because they went to prevent after losing Horn. You are forgetting the short field that the offense left them that led to the early Puka TD on one of our 2 failed 4th down conversions. Our defense has been given very limited resources over the past 3 years while we have tried to put everything possible around Bryce. We added a little bit to the D this year after giving up a NFL record in points last year. Our defense overachieved based on what they've been given to work with.

Sacks end drives but so does a guy getting in a QBs face and forcing a bad pass. I try not to get hung up just on sacks. I'd rather have a guy that gets 10 pressures and zero sacks a game than one that gets a sack and 2 pressures. The 1st guy is making an impact more often. That was the point I was trying to make. Being constantly disruptive is more important than just sacks. There aren't 100's of 1st round edge rushers to be had. I know that's where a lot of the elite ones are found. All I was saying is you can't close your mind to the possibility that they exist outside of the 1st. Just like every other position, you have to look for the traits that make an effective pass rusher. We haven't been good at doing that. We've been going more for RAS scores and metrics than guys that can actually play football. DJ Johnson is a perfect example. We chose the ideal metrics over a guy like Yaya Diaby that had the explosiveness and power to translate to the NFL game.

I don't think the Tepper takes are tired. I think they're there if you look at what's transpired from Reich to the draft process, Dalton 1.0 and 2.0, Plummer and the lack of even pursuing a QB3. Bryce has been shielded from QB room adversity like no one else I've ever seen. We've actually gone out of our way to keep him from having to play against anyone who could possibly be better. I don't think a lifetime commitment to Bryce exists. I think a commitment to prove his choice in selecting Bryce was the right one exists. When that dream is crushed, Tepper and the Panthers will finally move on. And when we/if we do, Dave and Dan will be right out the door with everyone else who believed Bryce was the guy, except for the guy that made the pick.

My alternative, tell Bryce he's playing on his final year and we're bringing in competition for the starting role. His play hasn't earned a 5th year option. Everyone seems to be hung up on these wins while forgetting how badly our offense looked all season from the QB position, minus a single game in Atlanta. His play has been backup caliber. Brissett, a backup that signed for 6 million per season, just threw for 3300 yards and 23/8 in Arizona in 14 games, with 12 of those being starts. Daniel Jones was having a resurgence before injury took his season. When you're playing less than backup quality, you don't deserve to have a guaranteed starter position for 2 years, especially when the 2nd year is 26.5m.

At this point, I'd be happy of 2 straight non losing seasons. He had 19.

I can't take Morgan seriously when he says that they value Dalton. Dalton was washed last year, blatantly obvious to even the most casual NFL fan. So we extend him for 2 years, he goes in one game, and shits the bed worse than he did last year. Who could have predicted it right? It's like listening to Fitterer talk. It just sounds like a bunch of BS instead of just handing the mic to the guy really running the show. Come on down Big daddy Dave. We know it's you behind the curtain.

Next up, 5 year 260m extension with a 155m signing bonus. Will be done before draft time. Other franchises move on from their mistakes. Panthers double, triple down, bet the house and their 1st born child that Bryce will defy 60 years of NFL history. We are so fuging stupid.

Canales is 100% at fault for calling long balls on the 1st 3 plays. Didn't need to get it all in one chunk with 3 time outs. But it's also Bryce's job to know the situation, read the defense, and adapt to what's being given. With 3 timeouts you have the option to go into the middle of the field and stop the clock. Situational awareness by DC and BY were both horrible. DC does not have the chops to be HC and OC.

You'd be wrong in your assumptions. I watched the whole thing start to finish. Wasn't a fan at all of the prevent, but I think it had more to do with Horn being out and a CB that had barely played on the field. The middle of the field was wide open and we had 3 time outs to burn. Bryce is supposed to read the defense, change the play if necessary, which it was, and go from there. Get some yards, call the TO. A franchise QB, an elite processing QB, any QB, has to be able to do these things. Bryce is mediocre at best. 16 games to break 3k yards on the last play of regular season, c'mon. But we're picking up his 5th so there's that now. Teppers commitment to mediocrity continues.

If Bryce hadn't folded like a cheap suit on the last drive, we'd still be in the playoffs. Probably could have done a lot better if we'd spent some of the huge amount of resources to get Bryce to mediocre on our defense.

And if it wasn't for the defense holding the Jets to 6 and GB to 13 we'd be 6-11 because teams don't generally win when they only score 13 and 16 respectively. Let's not let the defense become a built-in excuse, let alone a crutch, for one of the worst offenses in the NFL.

Probably most notable is Maxx Crosby. Sacks are an overrated stat. Being disruptive is more important. I'll take pressures without sacks than sacks without added pressures. I'm not saying they're common in the 4th, just you can't have the attitude an impact pass rusher can't exist because they're not in the 1st or 2nd round.

Can't take a risk on injured players that early... oh wait.

Depends on which trade price you believe. Rumor I tend to believe was 3 1sts, 3 2nds plus players for a MVP QB and contending with his massive new contract. But with Lamar wanting a team to build around him, that asking price and contract made it impossible to do realistically.

Happened to me during a game, though not nearly gruesome. Spiral fracture a finger in 3 places, cracked another and I taped it up, numbed it up and kept on playing another half. Ended up at the Dr the next day because my fingers wouldn't bend. Coach was mad because I was out a couple weeks but there's not a whole lot of blocking you can do with broken fingers.

I watched an interview with a lineman, can't remember who, and he said he took so many pain killers he'd come out of it in his truck after a game and not even remember playing.

Nerf battles or super soaker wet t shirt wars are perfectly acceptable