SmokinwithWilly

Which QB would you have signed instead of Darnold? Minshew or Trubisky. Either would likely have netted us the same results or better based on previous starting experience and past performance and we wouldn't have had to give up nearly the haul to get either one of them. Which OL would you have signed?Drafted Slater at LT. Wanted him then. Thought we might could have dropped to 10 or 11 and still gotten him but I would have been perfectly fine at 8. Round 2 after the trade down, drafted Creed Humphrey instead of TMJ. Play him at G until he won the C job, which likely would have happened in TC. Grabbed Trey Smith instead of a friggin LS. He was definitely worth the risk as a comp 6th. In FA, definitely not signed Irving and Elfein on day 1 of FA, especially for the contracts they got. They were considered by most to be the end of FA signings, definitely not day 1. Starting lineup could have been Slater-LGFA/Smith-Humphrey-Smith/Brown-Moton. It would have easily been better than the poo show we had. What would you do realistically to fix this? When the owner has to tell you you have to hire a rockstar OC or you're going to be fired, it's beyond the point of fixing. This offseason, first thing would have been to fire Rhule and go find another HC that has actual NFL experience and let him assemble an actual staff. There are a few I liked, and we'll have to see how they work out eventually. I liked Bisiacca or Flores as potential candidates. Bisiacca for how he brought the team together in spite of what happened in LV, and I think Flores got a bad deal in Miami because he didn't like Tua and he wasn't quiet about it. BC needs to start at LT if we don't draft one. Elfein to C. Moton at RT. Brown at RG. Best available draft pick or FA we can afford without breaking the bank. Keep in mind that the secondary was terrible before the Horn pick. Had to be addressed. Defense gets easier when your offense isn't constantly going 3 and out, giving opposing offenses a short field, or handing out turnovers like Halloween candy. Our offensive line has been ignored and defense was taken with every pick the year before. LT is a much harder position to fill than CB. You get to hindsight this which they couldn’t do but go for it. This wasn't hindsight. This is what I and a lot of fans I talked offseason with were saying before we went into FA. There were 2 franchise LT available and we needed to get 1 of them and address the offensive line. The opportunity was there. We blew it. At this point though, since we are stuck with Rhule, decisions on personnel are going to Fitts and Morgan. It's either that or Rhule can walk. No more FA QBs for picks or big contracts and no drafting one at 6. He picked TB, it failed. He picked Sammy D. It failed. PJ Walker is not an NFL caliber backup. He's terrible, but there's that connection so. Rhule is not the guy I want picking my next franchise QB. LT in the draft if the top 3 aren't gone, trade back mid teens or 20s if they are, draft Penning or Linderbaum. Use the additional picks to take a C,T, or G in round 2/3 depending on what the trade netted. Make Rhule work with the decisions he made already. Don't blow cap space on what's already likely a lost season. Suffer through it and can him at the end of the year. Look for a real NFL coach with NFL experience and start over. And I'm not jumping ship as a Panther's fan. I have zero confidence in Rhule's ability to fix this because he's shown nothing to give me any.

Well their offenses were on the field more than ours so they had more opportunities to fug it up.

Anyone who watched Brown play compared to Miller knows who should have been starting. It wasn't Miller. Just because a guy isn't starting doesn't mean he shouldn't be. We've seen this several times over, not just with Rhule, Rivera was bad about it too.

If we bring in Jimmy G or Cousins we will be paying more for QBs than KC is for Mahomes. That just hurts to think about.

I've already booked 12 tee times for next season so far. I'm actually looking forward to this season of Sunday golf, BBQ and bourbon.

You don't have to have coached in the NFL to recognize bad coaching or bad management, and it's not required to recognize the arrogance to claim success despite plenty of evidence to the contrary. Rhule has made absolute bone headed decisions from hiring a staff with almost zero NFL experience to assembling one of the worst offensive lines we've ever had (and overpaying for it to), and trading assets for the worst QB in the past 3 years after watching very little film on him when other better QBs were available for far far less. And let's not forget the 2-12 finish after barely beating the Jets, a Saints team missing half the damn staff due to Covid, and a Texans team with a 3rd round rookie making his first NFL start. But keep on drinking that kool-aid Rhay-Z keeps serving. It's good poo. 1000%

This defense better be the best the NFL has ever seen because they're going to have to hold every team to 7 or less for us to have a chance with our high powered 3 and out offense.

There's a difference between sticking out the rough times and tolerating incompetence. Rhule has shown he has no idea how to run an NFL team, evaluate talent, or put players in a position to succeed. Demanding better than arrogant failure does not make me less of a fan.

The Detroit Lions have a brighter future right now than we do. How far we have fallen.

The fact we signed PJ Walker the day after our season ended tells me sadly, the answer to your question is on our roster.

Step 3. The next time you allow the football guys to make football decisions, please make sure they at least have some NFL experience first. Step 4. See Step one.

The only reason we got Burns is because Daniel Snyder forced the pick of Haskins. Montez Sweat ended up going to them with their 2nd 1st round pick. Otherwise it would have been Greg Little in the 1st because Burns wouldn't have been there.

Stupid moves are the reason we can't have nice things.

I don't either really and if we were to trade for later 1st round picks, I think we would have to draft Thibs if we believed in him enough and try to move Burns, a 2023 pick and his still decent rookie contract with 5th year option to get a 15 and 19 like we could from Philly. There's a lot of what ifs involved with that, but I seriously think that's the only way we could trade out from 6 and not lose a whole lot IF we believe Thibs could be as good as Burns.

Losing CMC is a big deal but if your OC can't do anything other than run 75% of the offense through him, the problem isn't just that we aren't a competitive team. It's in large part because we've been led by a guy who thinks he's smarter than everyone else in the building and well... we've seen how that's worked out. 5-12 is for winners. 1000%

If someone is willing to trade up from the early or mid teens to get him if all 3 tackles are gone then I'm good with that. Could still land Linderbaum or one of the other top LTs if they are high enough on our board.

So a tackle that is really a guard that might be able to play center but is really just our long term solution at long snapper.

It's pretty bad when you see Panthers gear in the clearance section of discount stores. I've seen some stuff 90% off and thought to myself, nyah, still to expensive.

The really really sad part is that the members of the Huddle have been right more than our NFL guys.

He's letting the football guys make football decisions. Except the guy making the most calls also happens to have virtually no NFL experience and is probably going to make Bill O'Brian look like a competent coach/GM.

Every time I see one of these trade options I can't help but think this is how Texans fans felt when Bill O'Brian was their HC/GM.

Unfortunately we don't have the coach to play this what if game.

I'm not making plans with next year's QB class or that we will have the ability to even get a QB. But you don't draft a player out of desperation. We have needs that can be filled at 6 with LT or possibly trade down for more assets. We need to look at what's best for the team as a whole and if we think Willis is the biggest difference maker, then that's who we should take. Unfortunately, the guy who's going to make that decision also thought he was fleecing the Jets to get Sam Darnold.

Why are we hyping guys that would likely have been 2nd or 3rd round picks at best last year. This is not the year to snatch a QB at 6.