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You don’t tank that hard to keep who you have.

So you are saying it technically impossible to trade CMC this year?

its not a difficult question, why waste someone's time. either way it doesn't change the fact its feasible. His point is the same at 21m or even 17m,trading CMC would have some cap ramifications involved, hence the reason it wasn't as easy as sopme people were making it.. He never said not possible. Let me ask you this, if Texans called and offered Watson for CMC could we do it? The answer is yes, and Voth would tell you the same.

I doubt he is wasting Samir's time to get a number for a tweet. He is probably looking at spotrac or overthecap.

all of this of course would be dependent on Miami not wanting Watson and instead having faith in Tua. This actually could benefit the Dolphins if they don't want Watson, it would prevent Watson from going to a division rival. They could draft someone like Smith or Waddle at 8, to go along with CMC, that wouldn't be too bad for a young QBs development. I'm not saying this scenario is going to happen, or even if it would be smart play by us. My only point is the idea of making a trade for an asset to help you make a future trade isn't a foreign concept in the world of sports. Whether its a three team trade, or 2 trades in succession, my only point was that it is feasible and it would address one of our disadvantages in the Watson sweepstakes. If anything the first trade could be made even without the guarantee of the second trade, if the team was high on whatever QB they could draft at 3.

I think you are trying to make an absolute statement out of a tweet that wasn't meant absolute. He isn't saying it isn't possible, just expensive but not as expensive as you are making it sound. The $21m isn't extra, CMC is already on the books for $12.5, if Voth is correct about the $21m that would mean an extra $8.5m. Ask yourself this, do we have enough cap space to absorb an extra $8.5? The answer is yes. If spotrac.com and overthecap.com are both correct and the trade hit is only 17.2m then its only an extra $4.7m. Whether its an extra 4.7m or 8.5m we can afford it if it means getting Watson.

I didn’t say anything about another team trading for Watson. We trade with the Dolphins for the 3rd pick, then package that pick with some others to trade with the Texans for Watson.

I think most of us agree that if the Texans decide to trade Watson they would like it to be with the Jets or Dolphins so they would have a chance at one of the top 3 QBs in the draft, but we actually seem like the team most likely to go “all in”. Unfortunately I don’t think Teddy solves their QB dilemma but what if we trade with Miami, let’s say the 8th pick plus CMC for the third pick. Then we package the 3rd pick plus next years first, plus a few 2nds, plus a few young players for Watson. I know that is a lot to give up for one player, but it’s starting to really feel like we are going to do anything we can to make this happen. if anything we could make the trade with Miami and even if we don’t trade again for Watson we would be in better position to take a QB on the draft.

There is some validity to what he saying, but the other side might be thee also. Maybe the Jets and Dolphins aren’t as desperate as us because they are comfortable with their non-Watson options. Maybe the Jets can make a better offer because of Wilson or maybe they aren’t willing to make a great offer because of Wilson. Works both ways.

and there are also a lot of really "smart" productive QBs at the college level that don't make it in the pros either. Absolute statements either way are dumb.

Another chart for you guys forming opinions off of random highlights, Both Wilson and Fields are extremely accurate to all levels of the field. A bit surprised to see Trevor behind them as much as he is. Also there are some definite concerns with Lance.

So how often in the last 10 years was a QB available at our spot in the first round that you didn’t have concerns about? Just not you, that probably applies for all of us. I didn’t have concerns about Luck and Manning, feel pretty good about Trevor. QBs are hard to find, fact is there aren’t many that don’t have concerns and they usually go 1st overall. Even then it’s not every year. Plenty of years where the top QB has some concerns.

impressive stat for both of them

I just see Miami being more likely to stick with Tua than the Jets sticking with Darnold. I think CMC would be most enticing to the Dolphins just because they are all ready a good team, he could be seen as that last piece, not to mention would be good for Tua’s development.

I don’t think it is some “campaign” to discredit Fields but instead some actual metrics that are a bit concerning when trying to predict the ability to translate to the next level. The question is, are these issues because he can’t or because he wasn’t asked to because of the system he was in. I do agree with you that his accuracy and arm talent is as great. If you ask him to drop back and throw to his first read he is as good as anyone, including Trevor. Personally I’m higher on him than most because I think some of the so called perceived issues can be fixed with coaching.

With no combine I wonder will teams get an accurate height/weight on him? What is he listed at now? As far as the shoulder goes that is concerning, everyone likes to say Lance has the biggest bust chance, but if there are any shoulder concerns at all then really Wilson is the riskiest of the 4. Teams are really going to have to trust their medical.

If we have a 2nd round pick left I could see us going OT there, seems to be a deeper class than normal. I would think there is a good chance your top 4-5 will be gone by then. What OTs do you think have a realistic chance to be at pick 39? Maybe guys 6-8

When talking about positional value you also have to look at positional availability. An elite WR might actually be as important as an elite OT, but I would say its easier to find a great WR later in the draft. For various reasons some really good WRs always seem to fall to the 2nd round. Could be that they are one of the most dependent positions on a football field so they probably fall through the cracks a bit at the college level. A Rondale Moore playing for Alabama might be talked about in the top-10, but instead he goes later 1st or early 2nd. Where as an OT or edge that has elite tools will show up on scouts radar from any school and there is plenty of 1vs1 tape on him where as that WR is dependent on scheme and QB play. Also everyone likes to rank edge above corners but there is actually some research out there that a good corner actually adds more value than an good edge, but then which is easier to find later. Here again you can't make a draft decision in a vacuum, you have to look at the entire draft. I don't think you can have hard rules based on rounds, but instead just some general guidelines. QBs, OTs, and pass rushers seem the hardest to find, take them the earliest RBs, Interior O-line, and LBs seem the easiest to find later so take them later. Everything else in between. Also you have to look at free agency. For example really good LTs seem really hard to find, not only in the draft, but also in free agency. You might be willing to pay top dollar, but some years none even hit the market, or they are older if they do. Whereas most years there seem to be some good CB and pass rushing options. I might view that CB or pass rusher as more valuable than a LT but I might use an earlier pick on a LT because I know I have a better chance of signing an edge or CB in free agency.

Watson might prefer Miami or New York to Charlotte for various reasons, beaches, nightlife, marketing but I don't see some perceived Cam influence being it. Most likely he will end up, if traded, going to the team that makes the best offer that the Texans like.

New GM, won't want to be known as the guy that gives away an elite QB for nothing.

being able to throw deep isn't the same as being willing to. I doubt there is a huge difference in arm strength between the two, Teddy just chooses to be really conservative for whatever reason.

So, a QB that really wants to leave his current team would be ok with his current team trading him to most teams. Not really a newsflash. People around here, incorrectly have this idea that he is going to take his no trade clause and pick the one team he wants to go to. He wants out, the Texans are going to decide where they are willing to trade him and then he can decide how bad he wants out, and chances are he would be open to most places.

there were a lot of people that had doubts and Teddy and the contract they gave him.

I would have much preferred Jameis at 1yr for $1.1m than Teddy at 3yrs/60m.

very true. People love to look at the just the first round QBs and conclude that the chance of being right is low, which it is, but you have to take the time to compare it to the other rounds. Maybe the chance of a 1st round QB is only 20%, seems low, but maybe the chance of a later round QB is only 2%. That means you are 10 times more likely to be right in the first. A team that is constantly trying to beat the odds in the later rounds usually just ends up wasting draft picks that could have been used on players that had a realistic chance of working out.