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Lazy post. We paid Luvu instead of Hassan. Value wise, I believe it was a smart move.

I think it was a fair trade for both teams. A lot of how the trade will be viewed moving forward depends on how well DJ performs with Fields. And, of course, if we land a franchise QB. If we end up with a top 10 QB in the league, five years from now fans will think we fleeced the Bears.

I like the trade back in RD2 idea unless an obvious choice drops. I’d target LaPorta in late RD2. At WR, AT Perry in the 3rd would be good value and Tank Dell is a mini sized Jerry Jeudy.

Casual fans who don’t consider the pick swap say we gave up two 1sts. Then there is a discrepancy on how DJ is valued.

“With the #1 pick in the 2023 NFL Draft, the Carolina Panthers select…”

When I first saw the thread titles about the trade: Now: in a good way. lol

Don’t forget we were supposedly interested in Garoppolo. Was that Wednesday or Thursday?

He’s not overrated. Most everyone believes he’s a WR3 type at best. I think he’s a sleeper RB1 or, at minimum, a good 3rd down back type.

I’d rather have a QB

Compare the number of targets and utilization and enlighten yourself. DJ’s struggles to find the end zone have been discussed a lot on this forum. He doesn’t struggle to put up yards though.

This is your argument against Shenault while defending DJ in the same thread who struggles to score? yikes

Sure. I agree it will take some work to replace DJ. It’s far more difficult to land a franchise QB though.

The posters were discussing YAC. Here’s the top 15 in YAC per reception last year: Derrick Henry was #1 at 11.7. Shenault’s #?? 12.2 He’s more dangerous than DJ with the ball in his hands. I’m not arguing he’s better before or at the catch. I do think he could solve our RB hole though.

You can go on lamenting over DJ. I liked him as a player, but he’s not a game breaker. Of all WR1s in the NFL, DJ probably drew the least (or close) amount of angst from opposing DCs in prepping for games. He’s a low tier WR1/excellent WR2. You give that up every time if you think you’re getting a franchise QB in return.

Trade for Tee Higgins. I don't think the Bengals can afford him, Burrow, and Chase.

Patrick Mahomes is the best QB in the league and could approach best of all time before he’s done. Which of Stroud and Young plays most like Mahomes? The choice is easy.

Shenault is far more effective after the catch than DJ. Check out stats from last year if you think that sounds off.

I hope it’s Young. Will be ok if it’s Stroud. Anything else will be very disappointing.

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What little I’ve seen of Musgrave left me thinking he seeks to avoid contact. I don’t think Laporta and Kincaid are far apart. They are nearly carbon copies of each other size wise. I’ll give Kincaid a slight edge catching through contact and Laporta the edge after the catch. Just by the slightest of margins both ways though.

Thanks for the link. I can see that as two separate statements. He has “one more year” on his contract so he’ll be here next year. Then he also wishes to retire as a Panther one day. Who knows. If he truly only wants to play one more year, that means he’ll almost certainly be cut.

Mayer is best at settling into zones and using headfakes and crafty route running to get open. Great hands and knows how to play the position. Well rounded. Kincaid has excellent body control, fights for extra yards, and has some of the best hands in the class. Laporta is almost identical size as Kincaid, also has excellent hands, ran a 4.59 at the combine, and has the best moves after the catch of this year’s TEs. I’m really hoping he’s our new TE with our 2B pick. Darnell Washington is around TE4 for me. Elite measurables. He just doesn’t seem to play as fast in pads as he looked when running his 40. He has incredible size and strength, but I don’t think he’s very explosive. Worth a day 2 pick imo. Zack Kuntz is probably my next TE. He’s nearly an inch taller than Musgrave and completely destroyed the combine. He finished top or top 3 in pretty much every event. For all the talk of Washington’s size, Kuntz is the exact same height and only 9lbs lighter. If you’re going the tall target TE route, I prefer Kuntz to Musgrave but there’s not a big gap there. That’s my top 5. Haven’t seen them all though

I missed him saying he wanted to retire after this year. When was this?

We already have primarily blocking TEs on the roster. We need a pass catcher. I agree Kincaid is likely the best at it. Mayer and Laporta are good at both. I need to see more of Kraft.

No. He’s at best TE #4 on my list. I’d prefer Mayer, Kincaid, and Laporta over him.