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Would love to see Greg Maye throwing darts to Donald Lafell.

I think it’s more about the concerts and other events at BOA, which is ridiculous because BOA is first and foremost a football stadium. Unfortunately, we have an owner who’d rather put a feather in his cap and sit at a podium and brag about how he single handedly “brought music to Charlotte” because we were all such uncultured savages before who had never been to a concert.

Why did the whole article just get copy/pasted?

This take on Fields is different than all the others I’ve seen. I don’t watch him play but I just checked his stats. What am I missing?

Does he even take pictures anymore? Legit question.

Lol the explanation is actually worse. That means he and Evans were so deep into friendly conversation at some point that they made it all the way to the topic of golf lessons. What buffoons.

I seriously doubt the Eagles are offering the Saints pick in any trade package. As of right now that is the #5 overall pick.

Oh boy, I’ve got bad news for you on the Hornets

I think a lot of people just had unrealistic expectations of his trade value. This isn’t Madden.

The Hornets are the type of franchise that would get the #1 pick and trade Wembanyama for the #4 pick and 5 second round picks.

Jfc CMC is a great receiver FOR A RB. He’s not a HOF WR like Steve Smith. He’s not running vertical routes and high pointing the ball between a corner and a safety. If you put CMC in an 89 jersey that season, they don’t make the SB.

I’m no fan of Snyder, but I hope he turns this into a huge shitshow and takes as many of these assholes down with him as he can. I’m here for it.

Probably nobody sadder than this guy that Rhule got fired.

Makes the team better, tbh.

I think that was more specific to the WR he was talking to (likely DJ Moore) based on the state of the offense. I don’t think he meant every player should be demanding a trade.

Yeah because they won’t happen Sorry, but nobody is offering anywhere near that for any of those players.

Cam Newton was the clear choice. The media bought into that Peter King hit piece, but Cam was on another planet from Blaine Gabbert.

I want Corral to be great and hope that he will be, but on the basis of what we’ve seen from him so far, we cannot plan to roll with him.

I’d take a 1st for Cmc in a heartbeat but doubt we can get that much. I’d rather not trade Moore since I think he has more prime years left in the tank than CMC so I don’t see the value there. If they do manage to trade Cmc, then we are almost certainly going to be picking #1 or #2 and I think you have to use that opportunity on QB provided our scouts and GM think there is one worthy of that pick.

Yeah nobody is saying a QB wins without a team around him, good coaching, etc. The stat about #1 QBs having 3x more SBs is not misleading, it is exactly what it is. The only reason you think it is misleading is if you have a narrative that it challenges, in which case you’ll find ways to say it’s misleading and they don’t count because trades or some other bullshit. Of course you don’t consider the value of what the teams got in the trades either. I see you also changed the data set for no real reason. I went back 20 years and there wasn’t a #1 QB that won the SB for years from my starting point, I didn’t cherry pick some data set that best fit my narrative. Why not start in 2006 when the rule changes really started to favor QBs? Why not make it an even 25 years to include Elway? Not that it matters, you’d make an excuse to explain it away, like you even want to try to get Brad Johnson in there as “undrafted today”, lol like me including him as pick 200 something just isn’t good enough. So sick of talking with your crowd. You are constantly arguing in bad faith, from the basis of one or the other, either or, there’s never the basic assumption that we’re all Panthers fans and want a good TEAM with good coaches etc. PLUS a franchise QB. Constantly arguing on the basis of EXCEPTIONS like Tom Brady. Of course there are exceptions, of course you can strike gold outside of the first round, but that is not a good STRATEGY. Since we tanked (Yes, JR and John Fox 100% tanked that season) and drafted Cam Newton #1 (don’t see you complaining about that one) we’ve also drafted Will Grier and Matt Corral in the 3rd rd, brought in PJ Walker (undrafted, remember you CAN get lucky and win with undrafted QBs so he should be good enough right?), Teddy Bridgewater, Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, attempted to trade for Matthew Stafford and Deshaun Watson, DIDN’T trade up for Justin Herbert even though our GM really wanted him, etc. Where are we today? Maybe it’s time to be honest with where we’re at as a franchise. You never say what you think is going to be gained by winning 4-5 games as opposed to 1-3. Or do you think PJ Walker is about to take the team on a run through the toughest part of the schedule right after we fire our HC?

Nothing guarantees anything, here’s some actual data. # of super bowl winning QBs by pick in the past 20 years: #1 - 3 Super Bowl Winning QBs #10 - 1 #11 - 1 #18 - 1 #24 - 1 #32 - 1 #75 - 1 #88 - 1 #199 - 1 #227 - 1 The #1 pick has produced 3x more Super Bowl winning QBs than any other individual pick. Additionally, 3 other #1 overall picks, a #2 overall pick, and a #3 overall pick all played in Super Bowls over that same period and lost. 10 of the past 20 Super Bowls have featured at least one QB picked in the top 3 overall picks.

We’ve been responding to each other for a while so maybe things have gotten off track somewhere along the way. The original point you made that I responded to was “You don’t need a superstar QB to win” and I pointed out that a large majority of the past 20 or so SBs were won by “superstar” QBs. So basically saying, “yes you do need a superstar QB, and here’s proof”. Then your point was you don’t need to draft a superstar QB high in the draft, to which I countered that of those same 20 years of SBs, the #1 overall pick accounted for 3x as many Super Bowl winning QBs as any other pick (not counting # of Super Bowls PER QB because that is not the relevant stat). Then you said well they didn’t all play for their original team, that’s where it just started to feel like constantly moving the goal posts. I get that you’re saying you can trade for them down the line or whatever, I just don’t think it’s a good strategy. We tried to trade for Stafford, he didn’t want to come here, yes partially I think because our head coach vs LA head coach, etc. but also we have to recognize that even if all that were even, he probably would have still preferred LA based on endorsement opportunities, etc. Or Tom Brady would still choose TB because of favorable tax laws, etc. We tried to trade for Watson and got outbid. We’ve tried to go the route of trading for QBs the past few years and it’s not working out. Also, the cost of trading for those QBs is high and hamstrings the franchise. We have the opportunity right now to go for the #1 pick, and part of my original point was the value of getting a franchise QB on a 5 year rookie contract, which is a huge advantage over trading or signing FA QBs. Also, the first round control through 5 years is a huge advantage over drafting a QB in rounds 2-7. If after 3 years you have to sign the QB to a huge contract which limits what you can put around him right at the same time you should be starting to compete for SBs, that is a massive disadvantage.

I wish I knew to your first point. I absolutely acknowledge that there is some luck to sucking bad enough in the RIGHT year. I don’t know if this is the right year. And I don’t propose to lose every year, but we just fired our HC after 5 games and are 1-4 starting PJ Walker at QB, this year is lost. I DON’T want to watch another losing season next year, so the point is to accept where we are at right now and make the most of it. Short term pain, long term gain. The top 2 guys both certainly seem to have their question marks. That’s part of the reason I think they need to spend as much time and money this year as possible on scouting, and also as much time and money as possible on developing Matt Corral. If there isn’t a guy they feel is worth it, then maybe they can trade down and get more picks or future picks.

You are presenting it as if it is EITHER you get the #1 pick, OR you build a team/culture, etc. So you aren’t even arguing my point you are just arguing against some made up point that nobody is talking about. Nobody is saying we want the #1 pick and nothing else. I 100% agree I don’t want to draft a franchise QB and ruin him or fail to reach his potential because we put a shitty team and organization around him. So what are you even arguing? You’ve made up something in your head where you can’t get the number 1 pick and also do other things, I really don’t even know. I presented a scenario where we increase our draft capital, because that’s important for TEAM building. You consistently fail to acknowledge that one of my original points was you DON’T ask coaches and players to lose, and that we’re a bad team that needs to evaluate our roster and get players on film for our future coach(es). How do you think coaches coming in are going to evaluate say Brandon Smith heading into next years draft with no game film besides pre season and not having been with him in practice? How will they know for sure our level of need at that position? What about Cade Mays or Amare Barno? It’s just dumb in a failed non-playoff season to not get our young draft picks playing time. You build a winning culture by CONSISTENTLY winning. Do you think winning 4 or 5 games this season builds a winning culture that much more than winning 1-3 games? This is a serious question because that seems to be the argument you’re making. Run CMAC into the ground another year, don’t get trade value out of him, play only starters, in the name of winning 4-5 games. Do you really think that builds a winning culture? Or do you still think we’re a playoff team somehow, because I just don’t see it. And yes, it’s stupid to start bringing in which team the #1 pick played for in the context of the discussion that was being had. You of course conveniently fail to consider what the team who traded the #1 pick got in compensation in your analysis of the pick’s value to a franchise. It just introduces extra variables that have to be considered but doesn’t even really matter to the point that was being made previously.

You guys keep making up all this crap every time I come back here. Whether it’s “superstars” or top 10 or something, now they have to be playing for their original team. At what point do you stop moving the goal posts? It’s not the #1 pick vs the field, it’s the #1 pick vs each other individual pick. We don’t have the option to select every QB in the draft class and see which one works, we’re talking about ONE selection. So what is it, are you saying the #8 pick is the best pick to draft a QB? Is the second QB drafted in a class statistically better than the first most of the time? We’re talking about ONE pick, just one. Btw, one of my original points was to build the offensive line for now and the future.