GoobyPls

Actually their isn't anything you can rebuttal at this point, all you do is keep bringing up the same things you have been saying since you first commented. I'm the kid, yet your the one who started with the sarcasm, your the one trying to make it seem like theirs nothing wrong with this team. It's like your living in a fantasy land But that's what boys do.....

That's what I thought, you have no rebuttal at this point As you grow older boy, your going to learn its ok not to go with grain.

I can read you like a book, your a yes-man, and you were a yes-man for Hurney. You were one of those people that by November was throwing Cam and Rivera under the bus to protect Gettleman. Your probably not even a man more like a yes boy I knew who Remmers and Philly were, but unlike you who apparently knows more than our head coach didn't know they should be penciled in as day 1 starters. And like I mentioned last time even with all those guys you keep bringing up OUR OFFENSE STILL STRUGGLED. It's not all about money with Cam, maybe has a little thing called pride, maybe he's tired of losing, maybe he's tired of being the most hit QB in the league and having WR that can't get open. I hope they do work out a deal before next off season, cause that insures me Cam's willing to stay in this incompetent mess we call an offense. But if we don't get a deal by this time next year, you better take off your Gettleman glasses boy, and see this isn't about money this is about a QB being fed up about being completely black listed. No front office is stupid enough to keep a disgruntled QB.

A great defense can only take you so far just ask the jets, year after year it was always about defense, how many SB did they win? They already ruined two young QB's. That's what you want? Another 7-81 season, another year were our offense looks inept? So many people not just panthers fans are sitting back and saying WTF are they doing with Cam? What kind franchise expects a QB to produce with UDFA and veterans no other team wants? If Cam is our franchise QB, why don't we start building around him?

I shot down every single argument you made, Boy

So you were there the whole off season, seeing how every single player performed? since you apparently knew who to start from day 1, you should be a NFL coach. And judging how someone does during training camp or even the preseason isn't a smart idea. All I heard this off season was about how Berson was some legit weapon, come the real games he sucks. To add to that point even with Remmers, Philly and Norwell starting our offense still was mediocre AT BEST That "choice" was more of a dire need that every single draft analyst and their mother saw coming from a mile away, and like I keep saying that was the FIRST time they draft a WR in the first 2 rounds since Cam has been drafted. And please don't bring up the running backs we drafted your making a fool out of yourself and Gettleman. Like the main point of the thread is, Cam not signing here has basically nothing do with money IMO, it has to do with the fact we keep low balling him, do to the fact every other young QB are getting weapons, due to the fact other teams are willing to risk a little bit of there future to help there QB's NOW. While the panthers are content with drafting receivers and hope they turn out to be studs and signing these cheap free agent hoping they contribute. And you wanting to tag a QB who doesn't want to be here is beyond idiotic, a QB is suppose to be the leader/captain of the team. He can't lead a team if he doesn't want to be here to start with.

Why do you keep trying to twist my words? Coming into 2014 how the HELL was Rivera suppose to know that two UFA were going to produce at decent level? And Stewart was hurt, is that Rivera fault also? Funny thing is your acting if we're giving Cam a bone. We HAD to draft a receiver with the first pick, there was no other choice. I can't even begin to imagine our offense without Kelvin. BTW that was the first time since Cam has been here that we went WR in the first 2 rounds Let me guess if Cam does leave its not Gettleman's fault Srs question are you related to Gettleman?

No they weren't, I also forgot the colts had Donnie Avery that year, who the hell was the panthers 3rd receiver? Lets not forget the fact he had Arians also

All that shows is how good Cam is. No GM in his right mind would take the panthers weapons over the Colts

Except Luck was a rookie also, not a guy going into his 4th or 5th season, Luck also had Wayne as his one that year and now has Johnson.

Wayne and Smith are interchangeable, after that the gap between TY and Lafell are astronomical. Fleener and Allen are as good as Olsen and an old Shockey.

Norwell really? Really? Ron was going to hitch his wagon to an UFA? And give me one good reason why Rivera should of had total faith in starting Norman after a terrible 2013? Tell me why? Stewart? You mean the same Stewart who was injured the first half of the season? LMAO Remmers LMAO another UFA we were forced to play cause of lack of talent. And by half, you mean second half of the draft? The guys who barely ever amount to anything. Lets not forget the two running backs he drafted to help Cam. Oh wait there not even in the roster And good grief your selfish, you want to keep a player against his will here. If Cam really doesn't want to be here we should trade him, and fire Gettleman while where at it.

So let's try and copy the only two teams in the league that don't go after free agents to validate our cheapness. Instead of trying to emulate the last 3 SB champs all who were active in free agency and FA players played a big part in winning those SB. Logic not even once

I know the coach sets the depth chart and he sets it up with the talent that is available, which wasn't a lot. The same Roman Harper that got a thread made about him every other week? the same Harper that gave up more big plays than any other DB. Its funny how you skimmed over the part where I said Rivera had no choice but to start the guys Gettleman gave him. Norman wasn't gonna be named started after a putrid 2013 season and Bene was a rookie. And like it or not Cam and Rivera have to do more with the team success than Gettleman, and has much as you dislike Rivera he's helped this team more than Gettleman that's for sure. Look here boy, I'm not one of these yes-man that's gonna agree with every single move the GM is doing. or lack of moves to put it better. Its been the same way since 2011 not a single viable receiver has been signed through free agency, no trades and we have only drafted ONE WR in the first 2 rounds since Cam has been here. Its the same old story every year and I'm tired of it. Keep thinking about the future instead of present time cause that future might not include our franchise QB.

And your acting as if Gettleman is the one behind all our success. Rivera is a pretty bad game manger I'll give you that, but evaluator? depth chart? Oh I forgot Gettleman prize FA acquisitions Cason, Decoud, Harper helped Rivera out so much last season. What was Rivera suppose to do start Norman right away even though he was our worst corner the previous season? Throw Bene to the wolves? find a way some how to replace our premier pass rusher with a rookie DE?

Ah yes it was Gettleman master plan for our division to suck and us being able to make a playoff appearance with a 7-8-1 record. And all those things you mention had nothing to do with the players and coaches its all Gettleman The lack of respect you have for Rivera is mind numbing. Rivera has been in asked to make chicken salad out of chicken s**t, Munnerlynn and Mitchell looked great under Rivera, they leave and automatically become mediocre. Johnson and Hardy where a bunch of nobodies before Rivera arrived. Norman and Bene two mid-late round picks from small schools who where an after thought in the draft, Rivera was the one who coached them up, changing Luke to MLB another Rivera idea. You act as if Gettleman is drafting these can't miss prospects.

All I'm saying is for if they really wanted to can get Crabtree or Johnson even with the small amount of money we have. I know it might come back to haunt us in the future but for once I would like them say you know what screw it where gonna give Cam a legitimate number 2 and see what he can do, these are guys who have put up 1000 yards with Alex Smith, Kaepernick and Fitzpatrick as their QB's. If it means taking a small risk so be it. You never know one of those guys comes here and becomes a legit threat and we end up keeping him.

And I think that reason "might" be cause he feel like the panthers aren't trying hard enough to build around him.

You have to take everything into perspective 4 of the 5 teams you listed had rookie QB of course the aren't going to build around them immediately but I highly doubt if those rookies turn out to be franchise QB's is going to take them as long as the panthers. And the 49ers have tried Kaepernick just sucks, they got Johnson, Lloyd, Boldin and now Smith in a 2 year period. I was hoping the panthers front office is looking to win NEXT season not 3 years from now, I want a monster offense next season, I want Cam to feel like he's our future.

Still doesn't change the fact it looks like Wilson, Luck even Tannehill might get new contracts before Cam. If Cam was drafted in 2010 it would been more understandable since he would already have gotten a big pay day.

Sorry I can't agree with every move the so called savior makes, maybe we all should agree on everything. When QB's who came into a league in the same year and a year before are already getting contracts while your teams QB's seems to be ok with his 5th year option, I think its OK to have a little doubt in my mind. But that's just me

I keep forgetting Gettleman can do no wrong, he can't lie, its impossible

I'm pretty sure he lied, or just miss calculated how much cap we had or JR just doesn't want to fork over any guaranteed money. But don't tell that to the yes-men in here.

Gettleman can teach him a thing or two about lying *cough "shopping at dollar store" Looks like we went shopping at Wal-Mart this year

I'm confused, your comparing Cam whose going to his 5th year to a bunch of guys going into there sophomore years. If anything you just highlighted my point Cam's situation is so bad he's being compared to a bunch of rebuilding teams Notice how you don't bring up Luck or Wilson