Toomers

And you’re back to default mode as usual. Figured I’d respond to both.

I understand everything about the salary cap. You made the statement. Why does he have to redo his contract to be traded? Simply explain if you know so much more about it than me.

Wrong and wrong. They don’t win now…with him. And please explain how he has to redo his contract to be traded?

Yep. When something is as ridiculously “biased” and just plain false as that rant, I just wanted to hear how he justified any of It. That’s usually where the fun starts.

None. Every vet contract is renegotiated already. There is no off-setting dead money. Once a player is off the roster, it hits. That’s why it’s not a good idea to kick the can on every player. Hard to get rid of them.

It’s going to be 18.5M before March, no matter what. Whatever amount that comes off this years(around 6M) is just less carry over so it’s all the same. It’s going to sting.

Fiction can be fun.

Sure. The 1-3 Saints that are stuck in Jameis limbo and can’t even cut/trade players because of their kicking the can for years. At least they were doing it to win a SB. Not to win 5 games a year.

Noll also took over a franchise that had never played in the postseason before. In almost 40 years. And the only way to build a team was the draft. No FA. So it took longer. No comparison to now.

The 5th is gone. It’s a 4th if he plays 70%. Sitting him doesn’t get the 5th back.

I thought it was a 5th rounder(no matter what) that became a 4th if he played 70% of snaps.

In the past they have. But things have also changed and with limited picks available, it’s changed the way you sign players. Bradberry and signing Bridgewater was more what you describe and it was/and still is blasted for how bad a move it was. Plus the bonus of basically giving the 3rd to the Saints for Teddy. But paying him 31M for a below average season and a late pick hurt much worse. Under the current system, Bradberry would have been a 4th at best.

Those players are all starters. Woods is solid for the price. Wilson fills a huge need. Corbett seems to be doing well according to most on here. And Bozeman got hurt. Who you giving up. Bozeman is either highly overrated or still going to be a steal. But the Panthers would have been crazy not to sign him. It’s still one of the strangest deals I’ve seen a player take.

So you would rather have a pick at the end of 4th-5th round than Corbett. I’ve been as critical as anyone about how they wasted them in the past. But the only valuable ones are hard to come by now. Reddick would have gotten a 4th IF the Panthers signed no one. But there is no reason to hesitate signing proven help for picks in the back end of the draft.

They actually are now. With minority promotions taking the 3rds, there are very few going to teams for players. Only two teams got a 3rd this year. It’s projected for only 3 in 2023(and only one 4th). If it isn’t a 3rd, it doesn’t really matter.

Yep. Hash pipe illusion based dream scenario. The Steelers went into the season with Trubiskey as the bridge starter until a rookie QB is ready. No one was thinking Super Bowl to begin with. 9-10 wins was always the ceiling. That was before TJ Watt got hurt. The Rooneys don’t overreact to one season when they have a proven HC. Cowher had 3 losing seasons(2 in a row) and they never even thought about parting ways. And as stated above, Tomlin sure ain’t going anywhere now that he’s in control of what he wants to be. He was interviewing the GMs this time. Not being hired by one.

I’d rather take my chances with Skylar Thompson if it was a choice between him and Darnold.

Instead, they signed him to be the starter for 34M guaranteed. I can’t imagine the outrage there would have been if Hebert lasted another pick and the Panthers passed on him or traded down. Teddy was their guy and they paid him to start. Not just a bridge. If Teddy just gets about 8M for that year, normal bridge/quality backup QB money, I don’t think anyone would be complaining about his signing here. But 31M and a 3rd round comp pick is/was tough to explain. Especially when Dalton got 3M, Jameis 1M, Cam 1M, And Right on cue…Teddy realized it was the 4th quarter.

The trading team would pay his remaining base salary. The Panthers have to account for the 18.5M(not 19.5M) off dead cap before next off-season. So they would have to use 9.25M of their close to 10M total right now.

I dug a little deeper and the team can split it up with next year. It will still be gone before off-season, but it’s not impossible. In fact it brings Shaq and Robbie into play. They are making league minimum for any team that trades for them. The Panthers only have around 10M right now. So CMC would be really tough.

No. Erving has a little room but they sure don’t want to extend him. And it would only be 3M at most. Every other bet is making league minimum base salary already because of the “cap ninja” moves in the off-season.

That’s not the issue. The Panthers don’t have the cap space to take a 19.5M cap hit this year. Which is what happens when he’s traded.

Going to a draft prospects pro day doesn’t mean he would have been the pick. Rhule sent Hurney because he had no intention of taking any QB. No Rhule, Brady, or Sean Ryan. Rhule bet on Teddy. As was said many times back then….you don’t pay a “bridge QB” 21M/yr and 34M guaranteed. They were passing on Hebert no matter what.

Yep. And it still costs about 19M then. Which should go well with the 20M hole that’s already been dug.

CMC would cost 19.5M in EXTRA cap space, immediately, if he’s traded now. RA about 10M. And they already restructured every vet on team but Erving. That “mythical” salary cap does have consequences when you borrow from the future to build 5 win teams.