Mr. Scot

Not quite on that level, but interestingly enough...

And Michael Vick finally learns the West Coast Offense

As an aside, Roger's last name is now "Goodle". Rob Walton mispronounced it and nobody wants to correct him

Should we be patient with Sam Darnold as well? Tepper being bad isn't just a matter of opinion. It's based on objectively very poor results from his efforts, both on the field and off. You can choose to say that might change. I choose to say my verdict on him will change only when he gives me a reason to do so and not a single moment before. Yes, patience is a virtue. Patience without wisdom is an enemy of progress. You have to be wise enough to recognize when being patient just isn't going to pay off.

An option, though one I wouldn't describe as the "that's possible" kind so much as I'd put it in the category of "I'll sh-t in my hat if that happens"

Ah hell...

The guy that Goodell appointed has worked with the NFL before, and generally given them what they wanted. Theoretically he could lower the suspension, but I don't think anybody is taking that idea too seriously. (least of all Watson and the Browns)

There's a very simple way to answer... Point me to the things that make you think Tepper and/or the Panthers are going to be great. Not opinions. Not maybes. Not hypotheticals. Not hopeful ideals. Not optimistic musings about how "anything can happen". Give me specific indicators that, in your opinion, point to future success. My opinion is based on the frankly embarrassing lack of success Tepper has had so far tied together with one very problematic indicator. Tepper has shown an unfortunate tendency to trust the wrong people. Until he learns to be smarter about that, I don't expect things to change much. You want me to believe that better days are over the horizon? Fine. Give me a real, valid reasoning why I should.

Heck, I might have been willing to believe that Haslam was trending in the right direction. But after what happened with Deshaun Watson...Oy Four years in, heading into year five, isn't premature at all. Tepper is, as of this point, a bad owner. I don't really think that's even in question if we're being objective. As mentioned before, the debate isn't about what he's been up to now. It's about whether he can become something else in the future. And until we see genuine signs of improvement, I'm not convinced.

I don't really see too many people who are down on the franchise's future acting aggressive right now. If anything, they seem defeated.

Quick Sam Howell clip... Damn that's good ball placement

I've not said that the team under Tepper will always be a failure. I'm saying that's what it's been so far. Can he get better? Sure, but the fallacy is to act like that's somehow guaranteed. People talk as if Tepper just needs a few years to learn the ropes and then he'll be great. That's far from certain. Heck, from what we've seen to date, I'm not even sure I'd call it likely. There are plenty of NFL owners who have been at it way longer than Tepper and still run mediocre franchises. it's just as possible that he becomes one of those longtime "also ran" owners as it is that he rises to the elite ranks. And frankly, at least for the moment, there's more indicators pointing to the former outcome than there is the latter.

What I love about that clip is that when Moore starts trying to make peace, the one guy is pointing at the other and defending himself like a little child telling their dad "he started it"

Yep. Results say otherwise... I hate to tell you, but that's not guaranteed. There are owners that have been in the league way longer than Tepper who are still running mediocre franchises. Have they learned lessons along the way? Probably, but they still don't have what it takes to build a winner. We have no assurance that Tepper won't turn out to be yet another one of the guys who lacks that knowledge.

Haven't we all generally agreed that a single preseason game doesn't tell you everything you need to know? Willis might turn out to be good or he might not, but I'd say it's a little early for anybody on either side of that debate to start crowing that they've won.

Does Tepper? Evidence gathered to date would suggest the answer is "no".

The power to make money? Sure. Nobody denies Tepper has that. But remember him telling us that the first, second and third things he cared about were all "winning"? Yeah...I've yet to see any evidence that he has the power - or the knowledge of how - to do that which he claims is most important. So I suppose if his actual goal is just to make money, then yes he's a winner. If, however, he genuinely meant that part about wanting to build a great football team? Not so much.

He has the job title. That doesn't guarantee he has the skills.

Igo... Yeah, I do.

Ugh! That was a horrible pass.

Hoping for them to at least look more alive when they play Washington.

I mean it could just be a lax atmosphere but damn if almost everybody didn't look unmotivated as hell out there. (CJ Henderson being an exception) I've seen previous Fan Fest practices look way more crisp than that.

Didn't think a two minute drill run in a practice situation could depress me, but damn...

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